Synth. oil and filter question

[stefan]

with my TDI going 16000km between oild changes on the proper synthetic oil, what should one get for an oil filter? I picked of a Fram, but if there is a better one out there, I would like to use it. I've never been a big Fram fan...

[Khyron]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

Never fram! Devil! Go to the dealer and buy it there, with a new washer every time. There is a Bosche filter getting decent reviews with the 1.8 cause it's a bit bigger, but I mean we're nitpicking 9-13 dollars here...

Khyron

[The_Stig]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

Why never fram? i thought they were decent? i have a fram on right now? is this bad? lol

[Stonewall]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

OEM are the best to go with, plus you get the rubber o rings which you should replace.

[The_Stig]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

And with the OEM filter, what do you say for oil? mobil 1? castrol syntec?

[stefan]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

i got the o-rings with my fram. we'll see, might return it. I'm using a Penzoil Platinum, it meets the 505.00 spec for non PD TDI's.

[Red90]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

Penzoil Platinum??? Eeek, that is not a diesel engine oil. It is only API CF....

You need a diesel engine oil. CG-4 better.

Available locally in Calgary:
Petro-Canada Duron Synthetic, 5W40
Shell Rotella T SB, 0W40
Mobil Delvac 1, 5W40
Esso XD-3 Extra, 0W-40
UFA Polar Plus Super (Rebadged Esso Extra XD-3), 0w40

Just use genuine oil filters.

[Khyron]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

"Years ago Fram was a quality filter manufacturer. Now their standard filter (the radioactive-orange cans) is one of the worst out there. These filters are manufactured by Allied Signal, Inc. Please do not buy these filters. By boycotting it, we may be able to cause some change. I have personally had one if these filters fail and actually cause engine damage due to bits of paper and glue floating around in the engine.

For some inside dirt on Fram filters, see this email from an Allied Signal production engineer. "

"Fram Extra Guard PH8A

This filter cartridge has a small outside diameter with a rather low filter element surface area (193 sqin), and features cardboard end caps that are glued in place. The rubber anti-drainback valve seals against the cardboard and easily leaks, causing dirty oil to drain back into the pan. If you have a noisy valve train at startup, this filter is likely the cause. The bypass valves are plastic and are sometimes not molded correctly, which allows them to leak all the time, but they often leak anyway. The backplate has smaller and fewer oil inlet holes, which may restrict flow, and is made of thin material. "

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/...6;t=001717;p=0

Give me one for free, I still wouldn't use it. In an old pushrod, sure.

As for oil, I'm running the Penzoil platinum 5/40, it was a few bucks cheaper than the castrol syntec 5/40 and same certs. Mobil 1 0/40 is supposed to be ok, and the new 5/50 is probably fine but hasn't been certified by VW. I wouldn't worry if they used it for a fill.

Khyron

[stefan]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

i havent put it in yet because of that..

the back of the bottle says VW 505.00, which i understand is a rating VW put out for diesels, but im still reading....

[Red90]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

Here is the data sheet

I'm sure it is "OK", but really IMHO, it would be smarter to get a proper full synthetic oil designed specifically for diesels as noted above. API CH-4 or CI-4 and ACEA E4 or E5.

The oils listed above are not expensive.

[stefan]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

not arguing, more asking.. but

api= american ratings, and the vw/bmw/mercedes ratings are the same type of rating, only euro, no? (granted, there isnt an equivalent on both systems all the time)

505.00 = for diesel engines of cars including new-generation engines, with single injector pump, oil change every 15,000 km

so the oil doesnt meet the american spec, but its not an american car either...

**Locally, the consensus from ssfc and nlvw is that if it meets the VW 505.00 rating, thats all that matters. Thats their native system, not API.

[nismodrifter]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

OEM OR DEATH. OEM is actually cheaper than Fram yo. Fram was like $23 and OEM is $19

[Red90]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

Well is it ACEA B4, which is OK (light duty diesel), but E4 or E5 (heavy duty diesel) is better. The US and Euro specs are fairly similar.

Is this stuff cheaper? P-C Duron is what $5.25 a liter.

My worry is that there is a REASON it is not able to meet ACEA E5 or API CI-4. The reason is that it fails the harder tests that these specifications require.

[stefan]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

its not really a price thing so much, its just what I grabbed because it was the only one on the shelf with VW 505.00 (which i figured was good), and I cant usually get to the VW parts desk while they are open.

[stefan]

Re: Synth. oil and filter question

My worry is that there is a REASON it is not able to meet ACEA E5 or API CI-4. The reason is that it fails the harder tests that these specifications require.

my thought as well, but the oil doesnt really have to meet API standard, thats just the closest match to 505.00 here in north america.... (i think )

All in all, I agree this may not be the best of the best, but I THINK i'm covered as far as spec goes.


Also, the PC Duron oil is CH-4, but is it 505.00?