Good fuels in Calgary

[Red90]

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Venting your CCV to the atmosphere is very environmentaly irresponsible. Don't do it.

Bwahahahahahah and removing your EGR system is good for the environment?

[JeffC]

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EGR is exhaust gas recirculation, where exhaust is fed back into the engine to reduce certain emmisions. CCV is crank case ventilation ( aka PCV for positive crankcase ventilation ) where fumes from inside the engine are burnt with the fuel rather than released directly to the atmosphere.


[QUOTE=Kunn Kong]I have been trying to follow you guys and your advice as I think it is very well thought out and perfect for myself who is waiting for a 06 TDI Golf to come in for December. Please forgive my ignorance, but what does EGR and CCV stand for? snip....

[gtx]

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[QUOTE=JeffC]EGR is exhaust gas recirculation, where exhaust is fed back into the engine to reduce certain emmisions. CCV is crank case ventilation ( aka PCV for positive crankcase ventilation ) where fumes from inside the engine are burnt with the fuel rather than released directly to the atmosphere.


the egr valve is used to cool exhaust gases so NOX is greatly reduced,
NOX is a contributor to soil contamination it hangs around the ground not the sky..

[B5]

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It is weird to see how people answer to your post on how the intake coking. One is telling you the correct way to cut off the source of oil(vent it) and the other said no, no because of the environmental unfriendly.

A person who against to the modification must not own a TDI or thinking the dealership will help you out while in the warranty period. The helping part from the dealership is laughable to me. Anyhow, can anyone say this is not a build in problem with the TDI?

Can you stop it happening on intake coking up?
Yes and that required modification to the system and possibly make your car back to environmentally unfriendly.

Why VW not the one who deliver the solutions to their valuable TDI’s customers?
I have no idea. Only VW knows why.

[zero10]

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Bwahahahahahah and removing your EGR system is good for the environment?

You might notice that I have done neither. Blocking the EGR system is also environmentally irresponsible, so I refuse to do it as well. Sorry guys, I kind of like our planet....
IMO the correct solution is to install a filter on the CCV, to remove the oil without venting it to the atmosphere, such as the Mann provent. Lots of discussion over this topic on TDIClub.


You might notice that the european TDI's do not suffer from intake clogging, and they meet stricter emissions standards than our cars do.... just an interesting side note guys.

B5, I do not expect any help from the dealership, their service department has been nothing short of a thorn in my side. I have had 3 problems now that I have opted to fix myself rather than letting them break my car.

[stefan]

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they are selling a car in a location that can't provide the fuel it was built for. its not a built in problem, its more a compatability issue. for the time being, as long as there are no regulations for offroad emmisions (which accounts for a huge % of diesel burnt), and companies like Cat can just build in the environmental fine for each of their environmentally non conforming engines into the retail price, i dont think turning up my egr is going to help. if i had the option of running better fuel and leaving the emmision controls alone, i would. Even with the EGR, they arent great. a truly concerned person wouldnt drive a tdi in north america - they'd ride a bike, or take the bus. arent new TDIs not allowed to be registered in some states because of emmisions, ie. cali??

[Red90]

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arent new TDIs not allowed to be registered in some states because of emmisions, ie. cali??

Yes, because of NOX. The problem is that the limits are NOT being set by what the environment needs (based on scientific understanding). They are being set by what is reasonabley possible in a GASOLINE production car. There is no need for the extremely low NOX restrictions but they are set because it is easy to achieve in a gasoline engined car. Other emmisions such as CO2 are much higher in the gasoline cars but this is not regulated.

It is a stupid and poorly design system that hurt sthe environment. In order to limit NOX, the diesels are set with retarded timing. This INCREASES particulate, CO2 and HC emmisions. Setting the engines to the proper most efficient point would reduce CO2, particulates and HCs with a small hit to NOX. NOX is a short term polluntant that is not a problem in todays world. The others mentioned are long term and contribute to greenhouse gas.

[stefan]

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im enlightened

[JeffC]

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Folks,

Big discussion could be had on environmental issues. Please read NO malice in the following:

I agree, EGR fiddling or CCV dumping is not good for the environment, nor is burning hydrocarbons in general. If I had a realistic alternative, I'd use it. But the powers that be have dictated that I own and drive a personal automotive instrument and I have to live with that.

CCV alteration is also motivated by a desire to keep the intake lines and intercooler sludge free. ( I read a procedure for ridding the intercooler of oily gunk). Why bother cleaning it out when I can take action now and avoid two problems?

Hadn't heard about a filter, this seems like THE answer as it would satisfy everything - coking, intake sludge and environment. Many Thanks. Where can I get one?

Respect and regards to all. Jeff C.

PS: I'm from L.A., California. I have a friend with a 1999 Dodge Ram Cummins TD. His CCV dumps straight down and out - not through the cylinders. Couldn't believe it, expecially in the state that sets the standard for emmissions..... I wonder if they did that to avoid you-know-what...

[Red90]

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Folks,
Hadn't heard about a filter, this seems like THE answer as it would satisfy everything - coking, intake sludge and environment. Many Thanks. Where can I get one?

There was aplace in the US that used to make bolt in CCV filters (Old Navy CCV Filters). I have one of these. The manufacturer changed hands and they stopped making them so there is no off the shelf solution ATM.

Lots of others have built there own systems. Lots of information at TDIClub, you just have to do a lot of wading. Be careful with some of the styles as they could freeze up in our wether, which would not be a good thing.

Edit: There was this guy in Ontario making them. He might still be. See here

[turbomeyers]

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It is weird to see how people answer to your post on how the intake coking. One is telling you the correct way to cut off the source of oil(vent it) and the other said no, no because of the environmental unfriendly.

A person who against to the modification must not own a TDI or thinking the dealership will help you out while in the warranty period. The helping part from the dealership is laughable to me. Anyhow, can anyone say this is not a build in problem with the TDI?

Can you stop it happening on intake coking up?
Yes and that required modification to the system and possibly make your car back to environmentally unfriendly.

Why VW not the one who deliver the solutions to their valuable TDI’s customers?
I have no idea. Only VW knows why.

it is 100% our fuels ....in europe where the diesel is way cleaner they dont have this issue and they wont re engineer a car for a market as small as canada and the usa dosnt buy enuf diesels either . and btw nox gasses are by far the worstof the polutors ....they are the "smog in the air . that is why egr is so important . if you want to stay environmentally friendly and nt havethis issue with your tdi you could run you ccv into a catch canfrom say greddy or a knock off and then bak to the intake system this will catch most of the oil that is contibuting to the probemwith our suity diesels

[B5]

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it is 100% our fuels ....in europe where the diesel is way cleaner they dont have this issue and they wont re engineer a car for a market as small as canada and the usa dosnt buy enuf diesels either . and btw nox gasses are by far the worstof the polutors ....they are the "smog in the air . that is why egr is so important . if you want to stay environmentally friendly and nt havethis issue with your tdi you could run you ccv into a catch canfrom say greddy or a knock off and then bak to the intake system this will catch most of the oil that is contibuting to the probemwith our suity diesels

Hmmm…Is there bright side of the 100% sh!tty diesel?

Okay.. its our fuel not as great compare to Europe then what? The more important thing is VW fail to adjust their products to fit to the market and that is the problem. Now you are trying to say our market is small, actually no, with the amount of new TDI believers jumping in. However, if you think that is the reason why they don’t make the changes then you don’t understand business. If the product doesn’t make up the profit then the company will pull it off the lot in no time, right? No one buys it, why sitting on the lot idling doing nothing. It is the profit that makes the TDI a keeper for VW. Just walk up to any VW sales rap you will find their price for the TDIs are sitting pretty firm. Unfortunately, the intake coking issue rarely being bring up most of the time.

From my observation the profit is so good that makes VWOC/A refuse to pay off the warranty works. VWOC/A refused to pay dealership and then dealership has no way to get the money which has to make the customer to pay at the end. People get burn with their new car so at the end customers get nervous. End of story.

Yet, a catch can is fairly inexpensive. If this is the solution to the problem, why they don’t put one in for us?

I spent $6.00 to run my DIY catch can and burn 2.5hrs pointlessly of my life to do that.

[seanfournier]

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Hmmm…Is there bright side of the 100% sh!tty diesel?

Okay.. its our fuel not as great compare to Europe then what? The more important thing is VW fail to adjust their products to fit to the market and that is the problem. Now you are trying to say our market is small, actually no, with the amount of new TDI believers jumping in. However, if you think that is the reason why they don’t make the changes then you don’t understand business. If the product doesn’t make up the profit then the company will pull it off the lot in no time, right? No one buys it, why sitting on the lot idling doing nothing. It is the profit that makes the TDI a keeper for VW. Just walk up to any VW sales rap you will find their price for the TDIs are sitting pretty firm. Unfortunately, the intake coking issue rarely being bring up most of the time.

From my observation the profit is so good that makes VWOC/A refuse to pay off the warranty works. VWOC/A refused to pay dealership and then dealership has no way to get the money which has to make the customer to pay at the end. People get burn with their new car so at the end customers get nervous. End of story.

Yet, a catch can is fairly inexpensive. If this is the solution to the problem, why they don’t put one in for us?

I spent $6.00 to run my DIY catch can and burn 2.5hrs pointlessly of my life to do that.

That is the wierdest rant I've read in a while. The VW diesel (TDI) market here is miniscule compared to Europe & South America. Why change the car when its the fuel that SHOULD change?

People who don't like TDI coking in the EGR and that sorta crap just go buy so BG products and run them, problem fixed. I've been doing this for 5 years now with my TDI that I sold and the 3 smart fortwo's I've got now.

[Red90]

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The more important thing is VW fail to adjust their products to fit to the market and that is the problem. Now you are trying to say our market is small, actually no, with the amount of new TDI believers jumping in.

They can't, that is the problem. They can not design it to both meet the current emmissions standards and not coke up on our current fuel.

VW had stated it many times that the emmissions standards can not be met with the existing fuel standards. Unfortunately, they are changing the fuel standards first, plus they are not changing them enough.

VW has stated that they need the fuel standards to be zero sulfur diesel (<10 ppm) and a cetane number greater than 50 to meet proposed particulate emmissions. It is just a technical fact that can not be fixed. We need better fuel. It will be partially coming in September, 2006. Complain to the federal government, not VW.

[Canadian Turbo]

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I see you like the Pulse Sean, the best choice I think got to have those paddle shifters