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  • #16
    Re: Let The Fun Begin

    Well, the rule of thumb is to pick the smallest turbo that can possibly meet your goals, so as to have the earliers spool, most room under the torque curve, most streetability. Obviously if you want more room to "grow" you can get a larger turbo, but that will mean more turbo lag all the time. Turbos like the T3/T4 or GT28RS are made to flow more air than what you need at the minimum (more like the 250-300hp range) and so also need more force to get going.

    If I wanted to start small and grow later, I would just replace the turbo later with a bigger one.

    Anyway, the GT BB turbos are good but not better in all respects - can't be rebuilt and so basically have a limited life. They are also more expensive. The ball bearing design actually makes more of a difference as the turbo gets bigger (more friction) so for smaller turbos it also makes less sense from a dollar-to-bennefit standpoint. But if you don't mind spending the dough, they are technically the best turbos for any application.

    If you compare the results of a lot of GT28RS (dual ball bearing) users to Super 60 users (journal bearing) in the 1.8T forums you'll see that the GT28RS guys don't necessarilly get faster spool up OR higher hp, and they paid a lot more.

    Its a tough choice for sure.
    KR
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    • #17
      Re: Let The Fun Begin

      Originally posted by Kor
      Well, the rule of thumb is to pick the smallest turbo that can possibly meet your goals, so as to have the earliers spool, most room under the torque curve, most streetability. Obviously if you want more room to "grow" you can get a larger turbo, but that will mean more turbo lag all the time. Turbos like the T3/T4 or GT28RS are made to flow more air than what you need at the minimum (more like the 250-300hp range) and so also need more force to get going.

      If I wanted to start small and grow later, I would just replace the turbo later with a bigger one.

      Anyway, the GT BB turbos are good but not better in all respects - can't be rebuilt and so basically have a limited life. They are also more expensive. The ball bearing design actually makes more of a difference as the turbo gets bigger (more friction) so for smaller turbos it also makes less sense from a dollar-to-bennefit standpoint. But if you don't mind spending the dough, they are technically the best turbos for any application.

      If you compare the results of a lot of GT28RS (dual ball bearing) users to Super 60 users (journal bearing) in the 1.8T forums you'll see that the GT28RS guys don't necessarilly get faster spool up OR higher hp, and they paid a lot more.

      Its a tough choice for sure.

      Tough choice yes.

      If I were to get the t3 super 60, would using a larger a/r help out the top end? I ask because I've read that the super 60's run out near the top end. Looks like you can get one with .48, .63, .82 a/r's.

      It looks like spool fast run out up top, or slower spool lots of top. If that makes sense
      Graeme

      2015 S4
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      • #18
        Re: Let The Fun Begin

        You're still missing 4 valves...

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        • #19
          Re: Let The Fun Begin

          20v 4 life

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          • #20
            Re: Let The Fun Begin

            Yeah a larger A/R will help but I am not sure what is available. I think the s60 running out is more an issue for people who are running 25psi on 1.8T's rather than a more modest amount of boost on a 16vt.
            KR
            Porsche 991 Carrera S

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            • #21
              Re: Let The Fun Begin

              20v Conversion = Way to much work for me.

              I think I'll just go with a T3 Super 60 for now.
              Graeme

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              • #22
                Re: Let The Fun Begin

                Originally posted by Triple G
                20v Conversion = Way to much work for me.

                I think I'll just go with a T3 Super 60 for now.
                They have .48, .63, .82 a/r's, I was thinking of .63
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                • #23
                  Re: Let The Fun Begin

                  Originally posted by Triple G
                  They have .48, .63, .82 a/r's, I was thinking of .63
                  i'd check with someone who has run the turbo on a 16v before - there are a LOT of people - on the 'tex.
                  KR
                  Porsche 991 Carrera S

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                  • #24
                    Re: Let The Fun Begin

                    Originally posted by Kor
                    i'd check with someone who has run the turbo on a 16v before - there are a LOT of people - on the 'tex.
                    There is a friend of mine (here in Calgary) who did this on his 16V. t3t4 and his car goes like a scud missile. Jay Taylor. He's also a welder and builds intercooler setups and exhaust systems with your metal of choice (titanium haha).
                    Last edited by seanfournier; 12-02-2005, 03:02 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Let The Fun Begin

                      Originally posted by Kor
                      i'd check with someone who has run the turbo on a 16v before - there are a LOT of people - on the 'tex.
                      From what I have read on vortex, the t3 s60 with .64 a/r I would get full boost by around 4kRPM, (10-15psi). Which is fine for what I want at the moment. They also say that bigger the a/r the more laggy it would be, and the smaller the a/r the more top end I would lose.
                      Graeme

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by seanfournier
                        There is a friend of mine (here in Calgary) who did this on his 16V. t3t4 and his car goes like a scud missile. Jay Taylor. He's also a welder and builds intercooler setups and exhaust systems with your metal of choice (titanium haha).
                        Is it a red mk2 golf? Aside from the fmic that car is such a sleeper.
                        2012 gti, 2012 mustang.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Let The Fun Begin

                          Can anyone recommend a shop to clean the head up?
                          TIA
                          Graeme

                          2015 S4
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