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**BadKenny** · 11-04-2005, 01:48 AM

Re: exhaust manifold?

Hmmm...mind you I am no engineer, but the Kinetic one just appears larger volume-wise, but less well-designed...I mean, it truly is just log-style whereas the stock one (and APR's one for that matter) is designed to equalize and optimize flow...or something like that...

**R-Audi** · 11-04-2005, 06:27 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

Personally if I was looking for a new manifold, I would head over to Beyond and get Legendboy to make me one... Depending on the fitment his tubular manifolds start at $800!! (Log cheaper) plus you have local warranty and help!

**Kor** · 11-04-2005, 10:49 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

To be honest, this is a total waste of money.

If you are replacing your manifold there is no reason not to do the turbo. And if you're replacing the turbo, you would get a better manifold.

Even if you wanted just a manifold, for some reason, the Kinetic one is not so hot. Its a log manifold so gains are minimal. Despite being beefier, the runners are not contoured at all to help flow. And if you look inside the stock manifold, you can see the inside is also partly divided to help air flow. Good cast manifolds have pseudo-collectors cast into them. APR, EIP and PAG manifolds all are cast for better flow (everyone except ATP...)

You could just get your stock exhaust manifold port matched, honed etc. It would be as good or better than this.

Re: Legendboy, nice guy, impossible to get a hold of. I wanted him to make me some stuff for my VW, sent him my phone number, tried to get in contact a few times, he just never got back to me. I really think that unless he knows you personally you don't have much chance getting him to work for you these days. He basically turned me down cash-in-hand.

Re: Eliminators... I think that these will never live up to the hype...

**Flanders** · 11-05-2005, 12:32 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

yeah, I'm not getting anything yet. And yep, no way I'd upgrade my manifold without a turbo to go with it

I'm just waiting for the eliminators...curious as all hell to what kind of power they're going to produce. And figure that an exhaust mani upgrade would help too -- although I haven't considered port matching and honing my existing manifold.

Although, if the elim's don't live up to the hype, then I get to continue shopping!

**Kor** · 11-06-2005, 11:19 AM

Re: exhaust manifold?

I've been saying this for years, but a bunch of people are proving it this year. For the same price as an eliminator setup you can do a Super 60 setup that makes full boost by 3500 and really decent HP:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2265913

He's more or less only gonna make 275 hp but I doubt that the eliminators will do better. And instead of spending $1500 on a turbo you can get one for $500-$600.

**Flanders** · 11-06-2005, 12:03 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

yep, I've been following that thread

The super60 is a sweet little turbo.

250whp is my goal anyway on 91 octane, along with being stock-quiet. I want to stick with the stock MAF too, stock injectors (if possible), and NO mbc. In addition, I want full boost at 3500rpm. This may be impossible, but that's what I've been slowly lookin for.

The potential spool-up time of the Super60 is sweet, plus I have a local tuner that can tweak it for me (and save a few $'s on programming). I'm just concerned with having to buy another DP and all sorts of intercooler plumbing (plus a new IC).

I'll keep looking!

**R_Ethug** · 11-06-2005, 12:08 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

flanders check out the k04-020 kit then.. its good for 240-250 easily.. its basically turning your car into a chipped S3..

**Flanders** · 11-06-2005, 09:07 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

yep! I'm looking at that one too. ACtually, right now this is a bit more feasable! Are you sourcing your parts individually?

**R_Ethug** · 11-06-2005, 09:27 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

uhh my turbo upgrade is still on the backburner.. i'm looking to buy an audi come spring so if that happens my jetta wont' get any more upgrades.. but we'll see since i change my mind every 5 minutes

**R-Audi** · 11-06-2005, 10:09 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

Originally posted by Kor

Re: Legendboy, nice guy, impossible to get a hold of. I wanted him to make me some stuff for my VW, sent him my phone number, tried to get in contact a few times, he just never got back to me. I really think that unless he knows you personally you don't have much chance getting him to work for you these days. He basically turned me down cash-in-hand.

When i talked to him in April about getting some beads on my intercooler piping he was booked three months in advance... and this didnt even include the stuff he was trying to so for his own car. Personally I would cut him some slack as he does this on weekends as a hobbie. Im sure he gets every joe schmo asking him to make things and dont follow through.. Im sure it does help to know him, but for local fabricators he cant be beat.

**Kor** · 11-07-2005, 09:15 AM

Re: exhaust manifold?

Originally posted by R-Audi

When i talked to him in April about getting some beads on my intercooler piping he was booked three months in advance... and this didnt even include the stuff he was trying to so for his own car. Personally I would cut him some slack as he does this on weekends as a hobbie. Im sure he gets every joe schmo asking him to make things and dont follow through.. Im sure it does help to know him, but for local fabricators he cant be beat.

I am not saying he does not do good work! I just said he is hard to get ahold of and as you say he does not have time to take on new projects...

No matter how good of a fabricator he is, if he doesn't return your messages, you have to find someone else right?

**Flanders** · 11-07-2005, 08:54 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

What's the deal with K04-001's? Are they just unreliable turbo's? I've seen some decent deals on the apr kit (and similar ones) :
http://goapr.com/VW/products/tvk04.html (I drive an AWW)

I know they're not *much* of an upgrade compared to a k03s, but is 230whp/260wtq attainable with it? I've got a shop out here that does custom tuning so I'm not concerned with s/w. I just enjoy the fact that I can keep everything else stock, along with using a SMIC and stock-ish plumbing.

Again, just tossing around some ideas

**R_Ethug** · 11-07-2005, 10:24 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

k04-001 is direct fit on a VW/audi transverse
k04-015 is direct fit on a long vw/audi

k04-020 is a big mofo upgraded k04 aka S3/225TT turbo
K04-023 is even bigger than the 020 and work son the S3/225tt

**Kor** · 11-07-2005, 10:32 PM

Re: exhaust manifold?

Basically the K04 will flow a little more in the top-end. However, you will still need to run it at high pressure and really hot. So you will probably experience even more heatsoak than stock. I dunno, not sure its worthwhile, lot of cash for 20 hp? Will you even feel it? I think double-blind tests say that you can't notice anything < 10%.

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