Bully Dog Worth It?

[Gone Hunting]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Guys,
At the end of the day, each way must have some advantages and some disadvantages. Real world driving is what we do. Personally, I like to look at dyno graphs to see how the power builds. It gives me some insight into how the engine responds. When running a "built" V-8 performance motor on the dyno, quite often the curves give some insight into the changes. Like I said earlier, time slips are mostly affected by driver's skill level.

I went to the diesel tuning site and they only have graphs for PD engines. Mine is a 2003 Jetta.

I am going to email "Joe" at diesel tuning for more info as well as Simon at Upsolute.

Too bad we couldn't do a full blown "shoot out" between 2 cars set up with each system. A pair of "PD" and a pair of "Non-PD" engines. Do dyno, timeslips, and a panel of 6 or so "non-partisan" drivers who also give their seat of the pants impressions. Of course mileage tests and opinions on engine longevity would need to be added. You could probably sell it to a magazine after you were done.

There has to be someone out there interested? I will start by saying I have a friend with a dyno shop.........

[Dieseltuning]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Another positive quote from a customer on the TDI Club.
"I've put over a 1housand miles sense installing the Diese Power on my 2005.5 Jetta, 5 speed manual. I didn't run it out of fuel so filled it up twice. The first tamk I levt it set on "B" and did notice quite a bit of difference with the same MPG. The nexrt fill up I set it on "E" and also added a couple of ounces of Stanadyne and noticed a huge performance increase. It wasn't just more torque, but it was very smooth and no smoke at all unless I really got on it. Then it didn't smoke any more than any other TDI i've owened. Also I gained just under 4 MPG on the second tank. All my driving is freeway, 64 or 74 Milea an hour. It will be interesting to see if the increase in MPG continues for several more tanks. BUT I LOVE THIS CHIP!!

Had a 1997 Passat with Upsolute chips and liked it too, but this one is much smoother"

[Stonewall]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Another positive quote from a customer on the TDI Club.

You can spout all the customer quotes and dyno sheets that you want but you still haven't answered my question.

[Tuna]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Another positive quote from a customer on the TDI Club.
"I've put over a 1housand miles sense installing the Diese Power on my 2005.5 Jetta, 5 speed manual. I didn't run it out of fuel so filled it up twice. The first tamk I levt it set on "B" and did notice quite a bit of difference with the same MPG. The nexrt fill up I set it on "E" and also added a couple of ounces of Stanadyne and noticed a huge performance increase. It wasn't just more torque, but it was very smooth and no smoke at all unless I really got on it. Then it didn't smoke any more than any other TDI i've owened. Also I gained just under 4 MPG on the second tank. All my driving is freeway, 64 or 74 Milea an hour. It will be interesting to see if the increase in MPG continues for several more tanks. BUT I LOVE THIS CHIP!!

Had a 1997 Passat with Upsolute chips and liked it too, but this one is much smoother"

Link to the thread?

And sure it can control injector pulses, but what else can it control?? And how does it do it? Does it hook up to any of the factory sensors.

[Dieseltuning]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Link to the thread?

And sure it can control injector pulses, but what else can it control?? And how does it do it? Does it hook up to any of the factory sensors.

link to thread

It does not hook up to any sensors. The module connects in-line to the injection wiring harness on the drivers side of the PD engine. The electronics within the module run off the signals from the ecu to the injectors. With this data the DieselPower module fires the injectors at-will to increase power and efficiency. Boost pressures are not increased.

[Stonewall]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

So in otherwards you are just shoving more fuel in? I can only see that ruining efficiency as it will not have the air it needs, it will also create more smoke.
Not a quote for a PD engine but quoted from the link you posted:

When I adjusted it just a little higher the car would cut out at about 4,000 revs. I turned it down again to just above the original setting and ran the car for almost two weeks. I was out running a truck when a light turned green when there was a pop and a drop in power. I then noticed alot of smoke. The car was towed to a dealer.

They discovered a blown fuel pump which took out the turbo which filled the exhaust with oil. The car was fixed under warranty as I had pulled out the module first. I'm not sure if there was a problem before I put in the module as I only just bought the car but I will not be putting it back in.

Not the best think to link too if you are trying to sell them...
I am not attacking you just trying to get a better idea of how these work.

[Gone Hunting]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

The part about the turbo and engine problems don't necessarily scare me or surprise me.

The fact that he got ANYTHING done on warranty by ANY dealer absolutely blows my mind. I have to find that dealer before VW HQ visits him and pulls him into line that THERE WILL NO WARRANTY ON ANYTHING, and teach them how to be rude to their customers and if they STILL insist on getting fixed, how to charge 3 times more than it is worth...

Now I need to know what dealer that is so I can try VW "Service" one last time!

[Gone Hunting]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Interesting observation...

The inital post was a question on Bully Dog (made by Van Aiken for them) and the thread grew legs of its own and turned into a Diesel Power vs Upsolute vs don't mess with it, anything you do will damage it.

Nobody has said a thing about Van Aiken, which I am sure that I mispelled.

[Tuna]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Interesting observation...

The inital post was a question on Bully Dog (made by Van Aiken for them) and the thread grew legs of its own and turned into a Diesel Power vs Upsolute vs don't mess with it, anything you do will damage it.

Nobody has said a thing about Van Aiken, which I am sure that I mispelled.

Yea my original post was regarding "chip" vs. "tuning box". Not sure how all the diesel tuning thing came up.

[Boy Racer]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

Well, you notice I stay out of 'online wars'. Just not my thing.

Van Aiken have been making tuning boxes for a long time so I am sure it is a good example of the many that are out there.

[B5]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

You really should try them all.

What is good? What is bad? Is the tweak for the boost pressure ‘REALLY’ that important? If they really don’t adjust the boost is it your car going to explode sooner? Anyhow, the box can produce same or equivalent performance like a chipped car. Chip Vs Box IMO the difference is small. The only big issue is the price tag on the box.

So what after is the warranty issue with the local dealerships. Not only for the TDIs. Myself was warned by the service manager at SFC that if I get the FSI 2.0 T(any production model+Audi) chipped it or play with the brake system. They ‘WILL NOT’ do any warranty work on my car. Therefore, I already jump the boat to else brands. No toys to play with means the car is boring.

Wanna make your ride like a rocket? I might just save my time and make an offer to Bart’s car.

Here is another information forum you can read:
http://beethoven.beglobal.com/~mickey/forums/index.php

[gtx]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

So what after is the warranty issue with the local dealerships. Not only for the TDIs. Myself was warned by the service manager at SFC that if I get the FSI 2.0 T(any production model+Audi) chipped it or play with the brake system. They ‘WILL NOT’ do any warranty work on my car. Therefore, I already jump the boat to else brands. No toys to play with means the car is boring.

i called the S.M at s.c.f.c and left him a message about warranty on
vehicles with cars that have been chipped and how it effects warranty..
i'll let you know what he say's.

[gtx]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

i called the S.M at s.c.f.c and left him a message about warranty on
vehicles with cars that have been chipped and how it effects warranty..
i'll let you know what he say's.
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recieved a call back from paul the service manager at south centre fine cars.
he stipulated that if you chip your vehicle (warranty would not cover)blown
headgaskets or any mechanical defect in the power train.But if your valve
cover gasket or transmission is leaking it would still be covered as well as
all your sensors.

on the topic of K&N air filters where the oil supposedly kills the M.A.F sensor
he is discussing the matter with emission regulators of canada.
cases are dealt on a one to one basis..at this time

at the end of our conversation he stated no matter what you modify on your
vehicle it will not entirely void all your warranty..just the area of modification.

if you have any concerns about warranty he said he can be contacted at
paulp@southcentrefinecars.com

he has 18 years as V.W tech and 2 years as service manager..

P.S B5 he knows who you are and is looking forward to your next meeting.

[Kor]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

recieved a call back from paul the service manager at south centre fine cars. he stipulated that if you chip your vehicle (warranty would not cover)blown headgaskets or any mechanical defect in the power train.But if your valve cover gasket or transmission is leaking it would still be covered as well as all your sensors.

In my experience, it is one thing to discuss this when you are not actually asking for warranty claims (I had a similar conversation with a service manager at Northland once, who I think is no longer there). It is another matter when you actually ask for something under warranty. Suddently everything is effected by everything else.

[B5]

Re: Bully Dog Worth It?

i called the S.M at s.c.f.c and left him a message about warranty on
vehicles with cars that have been chipped and how it effects warranty..
i'll let you know what he say's.


recieved a call back from paul the service manager at south centre fine cars.
he stipulated that if you chip your vehicle (warranty would not cover)blown
headgaskets or any mechanical defect in the power train.But if your valve
cover gasket or transmission is leaking it would still be covered as well as
all your sensors.

on the topic of K&N air filters where the oil supposedly kills the M.A.F sensor
he is discussing the matter with emission regulators of canada.
cases are dealt on a one to one basis..at this time

at the end of our conversation he stated no matter what you modify on your
vehicle it will not entirely void all your warranty..just the area of modification.

if you have any concerns about warranty he said he can be contacted at
paulp@southcentrefinecars.com

he has 18 years as V.W tech and 2 years as service manager..

P.S B5 he knows who you are and is looking forward to your next meeting.

Is that kind of creepy to dig out other people info or identity?

I cannot imagine someone do bother to reference an unknown people to a stranger by the screen name ‘B5’. Dude, we have never met. Should I now change my new screen name to ‘CayenneTer’ so no one knows me and my existence? To me it is sort of crazy when I see you type that out.

Can you respect the original poster to answer the Bully Dog TB related questions? Or do you own a TDI to speak from experience?