Gas Grade???

[Aleks]

Re: Gas Grade???

this is no friggin different than the oil argument on the other thread....Geoff, I can see your point, but you really do things by the book waaaaayyyy to much.....live a little! if the manual says this, do this, if the fuel door says this, do this, etc.....its not written in stone....if lower octane fuel is just as good as everything else, how come anyone outside of the daily driver world, ie: performance, race, etc. runs higher octane? I notced great differences in my N/A GM V6 with higher octane, as did everyone else who drove/rode in my car....BTW, this was not a flame, just an observation!!

[Khyron]

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Well then let's all put in CAIs and brag about the 30 HP gains it gave us, grab a tornado to get us 30 mpg extra, and then we can put our cell-phones away when gassing up because we might just explode. I like knowing the truth - I enjoy mythbusters, and I read snopes. If you like believing urban legends and propagating old wives tales, so be it, but not me.

how come anyone outside of the daily driver world, ie: performance, race, etc. runs higher octane?

Because their cars are tuned for it! What's next? Put 100 octane race gas in our daily drivers and commuters because you think it might be better? Read any one of the links I posted.

Edit: I just was surprised that Kor would buy into the octane myth so easily, considering he still doesn't believe the gains reported by pretty much everyone with a Samco TIP. I mean, opinions are fine, but research and facts should always prevail. Who knows, maybe he'll dig up some interesting research that shows I'm wrong - I won't cry about it, I'll consider myself more informed.

Khyron

[Khyron]

Re: Gas Grade???

Btw, I got some performance items you guys might be interested in!

For Kris: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33558

For Alex: http://www.turbonator.com/

Just live a little and buy it - what have you got to lose?

Khyron

[Aleks]

Re: Gas Grade???

Well then let's all put in CAIs and brag about the 30 HP gains it gave us, grab a tornado to get us 30 mpg extra, and then we can put our cell-phones away when gassing up because we might just explode. I like knowing the truth - I enjoy mythbusters, and I read snopes. If you like believing urban legends and propagating old wives tales, so be it, but not me.



Because their cars are tuned for it! What's next? Put 100 octane race gas in our daily drivers and commuters because you think it might be better? Read any one of the links I posted.

Edit: I just was surprised that Kor would buy into the octane myth so easily, considering he still doesn't believe the gains reported by pretty much everyone with a Samco TIP. I mean, opinions are fine, but research and facts should always prevail. Who knows, maybe he'll dig up some interesting research that shows I'm wrong - I won't cry about it, I'll consider myself more informed.

Khyron

I don't remember putting in a CAI for the power gain, I did it for the plain ricey reason of sound, and it was cheap.......But thats besides the point, we are talking airflow then, which is another ballpark aside from fuel volatility, same with the TIP.....Now, I run 94 for the simple fact, my car runs like ass if I don't, I get sounds I don't like, and it truly does not perform as it should, even on 91!!!!! My car is a daily driver......I did run 89 in stock form though.....

[Kor]

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I think this argument is getting a little too hot...

Your "sources" that you posted are at epinions and handymanusa.com, so don't expect me to be convinced by them. Just because its on a website doesn't mean its true! Show me real studies not rants by people who think they are experts and are ranting like you are. Then I will gladly say that I was wrong. Check out http://www.alexchiu.com and it will blow - your - mind.

[R_Ethug]

Re: Gas Grade???

simma da na everyone before i turn into satan

[Khyron]

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.....Now, I run 94 for the simple fact, my car runs like ass if I don't, I get sounds I don't like, and it truly does not perform as it should, even on 91!!!!! My car is a daily driver......I did run 89 in stock form though.....

Argh. YOU are chipped with a turbo. Read my first post again. I'm talking about stock NA vehicles where the manufacturer says 87. Even the VR6 doesn't fall into this because it was programmed around 91.

If you really want to find out why your car (on upsolute 91?) runs better on 94, it could be any number of things including an aggressive program. You might even be retarding timing with 94. FI complicated things immensely - even simple air temp rules don't apply as they should. Vag it and find out, or just keep putting it in. I'm not saying it doesnt work (I use 94 with my 93 program), I'm saying it's pointless for a 2.0 Golf.

Your "sources" that you posted are at epinions and handymanusa.com, so don't expect me to be convinced by them. Just because its on a website doesn't mean its true! Show me real studies not rants by people who think they are experts and are ranting like you are.

Again, you pull out the "I don't believe it unless it's some university study".

I pulled the first 5 hits from Google "advantages using higher octane" that didn't relate to aircraft or were too EU. I don't even need to read them completely, because that's "how $hit works". YOU are the one making up claims, the onus is on you to prove it, not me. Show me ONE vehicle related source that says 91 will help a stock NA car that is designed for 87, aside from an older vehicle suffering from knock, and I'll show you 100 that show the reverse.

I honestly look on this no different that if someone was bragging about how well the turbonator works. Or someone saying APR chips make our cars slower. Or that red cars are faster than green cars.

Besides, debate is always more interesting than Look at my new garage door opener
.

Khyron

[Aleks]

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I run 94 because the program is for 94, hence it runs poorer on 91.......anyhow, I'm done.....

[bart]

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fools, what you all need is Shell V-Power Racing!

It's available in Poland and only a few other eastern european countries i think... Shell says its the same fuel F1 cars use, but you can buy it at participating Shell gas stations, LOL. its 100 octane, well european octane rating anyway (RON), which is 96 (PON) american octane rating... cost is 1,30euro/liter...

[1.8Trip]

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I'm in total agreement with you. One of my profs at University told me the exact same thing and he was also the automotive engineering prof.

Any auto manufacturer engineer will tell you to read the label in the back of the fuel flap and to use that - anything more is just burning money, UNLESS your engine is knocking.

Khyron

...or unless your chip/program calls for it.

[R_Ethug]

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all i know is that i use 1500 octane in my lebaron and thats the way i likes it!

[Aleks]

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Well, of course, the lebaron is an extreme performance vehicle Ryan, so its excluded from this discussion.....Shouldn't you be on the dodge forums or something

[Khyron]

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I run 94 because the program is for 94, hence it runs poorer on 91.......anyhow, I'm done.....

Dude, I run 94 because I have a 93 program - I never said it was wrong. But would you run 94 if you had an 87 program? That's all I was saying.

I'm in total agreement with you. One of my profs at University told me the exact same thing and he was also the automotive engineering prof.

I know - I've been having this argument with different people for over 12 years. I don't know if the U of C auto engineering prof has enough prestige for Kris though.

...or unless your chip/program calls for it.

I've said that since the first post, which is why I'm not sure why Alex jumped in about his GTI. But we were talking about a stock 2.0 Golf, or any other stock NA car programed for regular.

Khyron

[Aleks]

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I was talking about my other cars, all stock, half N/A, no chip no nothing........ran better, period....

[R_Ethug]

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i'll agree with you alex (and no i'm not bsing)

once this winter i went to put gas in the beater and the petro can was all busy and just by luck the pump i hit the regular 87 was out of service so i said meh what the hell company pays the bill and filled my car with 91.. well for the 2 weeks it was in there the car noticably ran better..