Question for you detailing gurus......

[Derick]

What the hell is the difference between a sealant glaze and a wax????

Does one go on before the other (like apply wax, then glaze afterwards)? Or do you have to choose between using either a wax OR a glaze?

I've been using Meguires stuff for some time but am thinking of going to a different system of products so any feedback on the glaze vs. wax thing would be appreciated.

[R_Ethug]

Re: Question for you detailing gurus......

umm i think you do glaze then a wax.

well according to mothers system you clay, wax cleaner wax, glaze, carnuba wax.. buff to your hearts desire.. i do this method but usually never glaze.. although i might try it this time.

[Derick]

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Hmmm, With so many different product lines out there this can all get kinda confusing. I'm looking towards the Einszett line of waxes and from what I've researched it looks as though the glaze and wax are interchangeable for one or the other. The Einszett wax is synthetic so I don't know if you would put it over the glaze, since the point of putting a carnuba wax over glaze is to "deepen" the shine.....Curse my black car!

[Billip]

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I did lots of looking into this last time I detailed my car. "Glaze" is something you do before waxing... it rejuvinates your clear coat with essential "stuff" that it needs. Glaze is what makes your car really shine like crazy... even better than a new car finish. Wax protects the finish of your paint, and kinda makes it shiny... but not like glaze. Glaze offers no protection for your finish, so that's why you want to follow up a glaze with a wax. I also recommend a clay bar before glazing to get rid of all the contaminants lodged in the paint.

In October Kor and bart and I all got together for a detail day, and at the end of it Kor was pretty amazed by the results of the glaze, and he started the day as a skeptic.

BTW I used the Mothers Clay Bar, Meguiars #7 Glaze and Meguiars #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax. (if memory serves).

Hope that helps somewhat!

[Derick]

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Well, it's about 10 o'clock and I've just spent the better part of the day (from 4 until now) researching and talking with all sorts of people and places online and over the phone. SO, in an effort to help anyone out who might be considering what waxes to use, I put together this system that I felt will work best for me and my circumstances. I should point out that I am NOT saying this is the best system in the world, and also that the best system will depend on the person's car, paint color, driving habits, etc. But for me, I think this will be ideal. I had to consider a number of factors....
1) I drive a black car
2) It's parked in a garage, daily driven in the summer, and not dirven in the winter
3) At about 2 years old, the paint has problem areas
4) I don't want to spend days (literally, as is the case with waxes like Zaino) applying wax to my car.
5) Living with Calgary weather, durability is also important

So here it is......


Pheeww, I'm tired. Time for sleep.

[R_Ethug]

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never heard of that brand.. how much does it cost.. i usually just go to crap tire and stock up on stuff

[Derick]

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Einszett is a German company that's been making car waxes since the 1930's. Their products are specifically formulated for German cars and their specific paint characteristics. In fact, they actually make a wheel cleaner that's formulated to clean Audi/VW brake dust! The reason you probably never heard of them is because they only recently started selling in North America. But for ages, Einszett has been a premier car care company in Europe. Recently, big US tuners (like Potterman's, Parts4vws.com) have started carrying the Einszett line so it is starting to become more well known. From what I have researched, the Einszett company and product line are similar in Europe to Meguires is in North America. Both are fairly high end and have a long tradition in their repective countries. They main difference, again, being that Einszett caters to German cars. I was in the same situation as you Ryan and bought my stuff at C-tire. But I've never really been that satisfied with the Meguires stuff I've been using. I'll be getting this stuff really soon and will post a review after I've used it. In the meantime if you're interested, you can find out more on the following sites.....

http://www.detailersparadise.com/Splash.asp

http://www.1z-usa.com/sys-tmpl/storefront/

http://www.bettercarcare.com/topics.php?topicId=17

[bart]

Re: Question for you detailing gurus......

I left my detailing stuff in my garage, its all frozen. The wax says it cant be used once frozen... Why? I guess everything else is still ok? Or do i have to buy everything new again?

[Kor]

Re: Question for you detailing gurus......

Hands down the best product line is Zaino. I have seen it on my friend's dad's mustang cobra, and it really is better. If you are investigating product brands then you should look no further. My personal guarantee here. I would put it against Einszett any day!

That being said, I also want the convenience of buying my product at a local store, so I stick with Meguiars or Mothers.

I have tried the Paint Polish products and did not like them. They did not remove scratches or swirls. On one deep scratch I am convinced that the scratch remover made it worse. Personally I will not use any polish products again, and if I believe that swirls are getting to be a problem I will take my car in for a professional polish job using the right products and tools. I think that you really need a proper electric polisher to use a lot of the polish products. And if you are not careful you will mess up your paint or remove too much of your clearcoat.

I do not believe you need any special products to wash your car. Soap is soap, mostly you are just rinsing away the road dirt.

I was skeptical if a Glaze would create a deeper shine than just a good wax, but I was wrong. We did a side-by-side comparison of my car (wax) and Bart's/Bill's cars (glaze) and the glaze looked deeper and wetter. I know I did a good job waxing, and I also know that Bart used his glaze pretty haphazardly (it took him half the time) and his paint still looked way better.


What works best in my experience is:

1. Wash.
2. Clay Bar.
3. Glaze.
4. Wax.


Bart: I let a few things freeze last winter and had no problems come spring... I just had to really shake the bottles to get things mixed up. Didn't try wax though.

[Canadian Turbo]

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Glad to see you guys will have some crazy shiney cars for WoW

[Derick]

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No doubt Zaino is the shiznit. BUT if you went to the Zaino web site an saw the steps and products invloved to properly use the system, it's not worth it to me. I'm way too busy to be waiting for acrylic polymers to cure and what not. Their stuff is also ridiculously expensive. Like I said, I chose this system for my own personal needs. But having said that, you're right, I've seen Zaino first hand as well and it looks amazing.

As for the polishing, it can definitely be hazardous if someone doesn't know what they're doing. I've taken the time though to learn how to properly do it and have all the correct tools as well. I Tried polishing on some test cars before with good results so I'm not too worried about buffing the Bora. It just comes down to having the right equipment and enough experience to do it properly I guess.

[R_Ethug]

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blair my car will be so clean you can eat off it

[Kor]

Re: Question for you detailing gurus......

Derick what kind of polisher do you have? I been thinking about getting one.

[Derick]

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Derick what kind of polisher do you have? I been thinking about getting one.

I have two types of random orbital buffers. One in a 10" diameter, and another smaller one. I think it's like 8", maybe less. Also have access to a Porter Cable buffer (same as what the detailers use) but rarely need to use it since the car is pretty new and well maintained, it doesn't need that level of buffing/polishing. If you're looking at getting a polisher, I'd recommend just getting a random orbital one. It reduces the time to wax your car ridiculously. For example, I can apply and remove two coats of wax in less than an hour (that's also giving the wax time to cure first, taking bathroom breaks, going to the fridge etc ). It used to take me the better part of an afternoon to lay two coats of wax on. If nothing else, the labor saved with a polisher is makes it worth buying. Just my $.02

[Kor]

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Wow!

I have a couple concerns though.

1. Do you find that it has created more swirls?
2. Does it cost a lot to buy lots of those buffer-pads for the buffer?
3. Is yours adjustable-speed?

If I can do glaze+wax in < 1 hour I will be doing it every weekend!