Noob Question

[cam_wmh]

Hey Guys,

What does "Stage 1" or "Stage 2" or "Stage 3" mean exactly? How do you differentiate between them?

What's required to reach each level on my 337?

Thanks

(puts on Flamesuit and jumps in lake)

[RedMile04]

Re: Noob Question

What's required to reach each level on my 337?

Huh!?!

[RONDAL]

Re: Noob Question

these are the different power levels in a turbo kit. The numbers vary for different companies but it generally means you add a turbo or slightly bigger one, then you add a better intercooler, then you add better fueling and even bigger turbo.

They basically comprise a package of parts to reach a certain level of power.

For example I am doing a Kinetic Stage 3+ on my VR.
The Stage 1 is just a simple turbo addition with parts that support it
The Stage 2 adds an intercooler onto the initial Stage 1 upping the power potential
The Stage 3 adds more fueling and a headspacer to lower compression allowing more boost and more power
The Stage 3+ was a custom kit with a few extra parts included to allow for even MORE power.

[R-Audi]

Re: Noob Question

To confuse you more... on a 1.8T this is how its typically broken down
Stage 1: Chip
Stage 2: above plus exhaust/intake (and any other small item)
Stage 3: Turbo upgrade (GT28/K04)
Stage 3+->4 Anything bigger then that... built engine... custom manifolds, according to APR a GT28rs turbo/2871r for TT

[RONDAL]

Re: Noob Question

For a 2L
Stage 1: Stickers
Stage 2: CAI
Stage 3 More stickers
Stage 4: Purple Tint & Blue Headlight Bulbs

[Kor]

Re: Noob Question

All of the above is pretty much wrong IMO - There is no standard meaning by car or otherwise.

Performance companies often use the terms "Stage 1" "Stage 2" etc to refer to upgrade kits. For example "Stage 1" is the basic upgrade, "Stage 2" is the basic plus a little more, and "Stage 3" is a lot more. What that actually includes depends on what they sell.

Think of it as "Tall, Grande, Venti" at Starbucks. It just means Small, Medium and Large. If you say you have a Stage 3, you got the large.

For a lot of cars Stage 3 involves a turbocharger or supercharger since this is how you make "large" power. Stage 1 often does not involve forced induction upgrades because they are too expensive for a "small".

If you aren't a vendor or buying a kit from a vendor, you should probably not use the terms to describe your car.

[edicius]

Re: Noob Question

I think the whole stage 1 - infinity stuff is the most retarded thing ever.
It should be, how much power do you want to make? Heres what you should use.

I've seen some companies that tune saabs have stage 7+

[RONDAL]

Re: Noob Question

its all about the packages each company puts together. As i mentioned previously and Kor repeated. It makes it easy to say "I have the Stage 1 Kinetic Kit" rather than listing off the bits and pieces you have.

[R-Audi]

Re: Noob Question

All of the above is pretty much wrong IMO - There is no standard meaning by car or otherwise.

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Thats why I said "according to APR...." as well with most S4 tuners, they carry the same nomenclature, with Stage 3 kit being upgraded turbo's.

I guess the people who market and manufacture these parts are wrong?
What would you have liked them to call their products?

[Tuna]

Re: Noob Question

Dang, I need to find that description Brice posted in the S4 thread. I think it describes it perfectly.

Basically there is no standard. Most people like to say it to sound cool. One company could say stage1=winter mats while another company stage1=chip and injectors.

[Kor]

Re: Noob Question

I guess the people who market and manufacture these parts are wrong?
What would you have liked them to call their products?

Yes they are wrong, they are perpetuating a poor and misleading system.

[Tuna]

Re: Noob Question

Found it......

Stage 1 = chip
Stage 2 = chip + catback
Stage 2+ = chip + turboback
Stage 3 = Stage 2+ and bigger turbos
Stage 3+ = Created after a few people decided that the first three stages were too easy to understand. This can mean pretty much anything you want. We could make more stages, but we need to be able to flame n00bs for something so it's best for us to keep it confusing.

BTW, We're not flaming but as you're beginning to see, it's very misleading.

[cam_wmh]

Re: Noob Question

What's required to reach each level on my 337?

Huh!?!

My 337 = GTi 1.8T (Euro 25th Anni). My question was what is required to reach each Stage 1/2/3. Eventually I'd liek to have about 250-270 Hp. I'd guess right now with just the REVO chip I got 205?

thanks for the info guys!!!

[RONDAL]

Re: Noob Question

best is to have a BUDGET and HP goal in mind. First figure out which one is more important to you, then adjust the other accordingly and go from there. People often forget these two are interwoven

[MischlingMk]

Re: Noob Question

if you are at 205 now then another 25% increase (to pull you to 250hp) can be achieved in a few ways. without touching hardware you can install a new EMS (engine management system). this can be programmed to increase your stock turbo's boost pressure and give you better fuel maps. the problem with this is you are running more power on stock hardware and parts get stresses and beak. i am new to the DUB world so dont know how strong individual engine components in the 1.8T engines are. upgrading your fuel system: particularly the injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, and fuel pressure regulators are a good way eliminating "weak links" if you are running more boost pressure.
for a more reliable power increase though you should look at doing fuel system AND a bigger turbo with new manifolds (exhaust at least). this will undoubtedly require a recalibration/reprogramming of your ECU (electronic control unit: the cars computer) or a new EMS. with a bigger turbo oil cooling becomes an issue too and you should look at installing a larger oil cooler depending on how hard you drive.
have no illusions though, more power will stress internal components of your engine such as piston rings, bearings, valves, springs, etc. again, i am not sure how strong these individual components of the 1.8T engine are, so i dont know how much reliability you sacrifice with certain power increases. for reference, take a Nissan SR20DET motor, found in the Silvia (stock ~200-250hp depending on year) and you can pull 350-400 hp reliably out of the engine and without much modification. the Nissan RB26DETT motor found in Skylines have been able to pump out 500hp reliably, again without much modification.
rule of thumb: power, reliability, cheap...pick 2, sacrifice the third.

i would greatly appreciate being corrected on any misinformation i posted here ! ! ! ! thanks in advance to the knowledgeable.