transport canada to call manuf. bluff

[nordex]

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no they wouldn't actually. and its been discussed over and over again.
yes there are a few enthusiasts that would buy them, but there are more 20 year olds with dreams saying they want one than people actually willing to put down $30-40K on a "golf".
This topic has been covered time and time again on the larger Canadian VW boards, sadly there just isnt the market for these cars. The same goes for cars like the Mitsubishi EVO and others.

YES die hard tuners and enthusiasts will buy a small number of these cars, but car manufacturers really dont care about us unfortunately

I find that a little hard to believe. if r32's were the price they were in the states I am sure they could unload the limited amount of them. Look at all the people that bought 20th's.

[nordex]

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The r32 is only 33k USD. and its AWD, which in a canadian market, that loves coupes it would make sense given the weather.

[RONDAL]

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Comparing the STi sales to the R32 is apples to oranges. You are comparing sales of a 4 door sports sedan to sales of a sports hatchback.
2 door vs 4 door is a HUGE difference when you are looking at the demographics and price point on that car.
The STi is a little bit easier of a sell for subaru, it is a sportier version of a well selling sedan. So that men in their mid 30's+ can justify to their wife why they want one. They can still put the kids in the back easily and carry around stuff. The R32 is a 2 door hatchback. Sure these sell well to the younger crowds that dont have wives or even gf's, but try getting your kid into a car seat in a 2 door hatchback.

If it was profitable for VW to have brought the R32 to Canada it would have come. They aren't complete idiots.

For those nutswinging on the R36 Passat you clearly are living in a void. AGAIN this has been beaten to death on the larger Canadian boards. For its power and price point you can get a lot better from companies like Lexus, Mazda, Acura, BMW, Infiniti, and even Audi.

It's not to say these cars aren't good cars, and dont perform as they are listed. The Phaeton was a wonderful car as well and has been said it could have been the best in class by many editors except for one little issue.....the badge on the front.

Head over to Dubberz, search R36 + Passat, see what comes up. There is even a senior person from VW of Canada that was involved in one of the discussions explaining their reasoning for why the cars weren't coming. This topic has been beaten to death year after year since the Mk4 R32 was first announced. At the end of the day VW would be hard pressed to find people willing to put down the cash for these cars.


I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but I follow a number of larger Canadian and NA VW boards and this topic has literally been beaten to death time and time again. When even Vortex senior editors echo the same responses you've gotta admit with that much uncertainty you can see why VW is reluctant to bring cars like this to Canada.

[RONDAL]

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I guess the proof is in the pudding with the R32. The Vancouver VW scene is considerably larger than that present in AB, a simple trip to GCVW proves this every year.
There are a number of good VW wrecker who are able to bring up and repair R32's with minor damage and stolen parts and resell them to be insured in BC. When the R32 came out in the States there was tons of nutswinging about how everyone and their dog wanted an R32. Now that they are available, at a decent price...you would think that there would be a large number of people buying these up. I know one of the wreckers quite well and he said business with the R32 has been slow, and aside from the initial buzz around the car being admissable in this way there actually haven't been that many sales.

Take that for what its worth...but the cars are available...and still not being bought.

[The Brice]

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I guess the proof is in the pudding with the R32. The Vancouver VW scene is considerably larger than that present in AB, a simple trip to GCVW proves this every year.
There are a number of good VW wrecker who are able to bring up and repair R32's with minor damage and stolen parts and resell them to be insured in BC. When the R32 came out in the States there was tons of nutswinging about how everyone and their dog wanted an R32. Now that they are available, at a decent price...you would think that there would be a large number of people buying these up. I know one of the wreckers quite well and he said business with the R32 has been slow, and aside from the initial buzz around the car being admissable in this way there actually haven't been that many sales.

Take that for what its worth...but the cars are available...and still not being bought.

Is it not true that like Quebec, B.C. can get Salvage titled cars imported up from the States and like Quebec they would try to sell a salvage titled R32 for ~$30 000. Ridiculously expensive for a written off car if you ask me.

[RONDAL]

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It is true, but there are a number of ways to write off a car. It doesn't have to be completely mangled with bodies parts still inside. In fact simply stealing an entire R32 interior will write off the car, not touching a single panel. Many of the write offs are corner hits, both airbags deployed.

The chassis are straight, there are a number of body parts that must be replaced along with interior stuff. It adds up quickly.

Given to a proper shop it can be fixed back to new that only people who REALLY know what they are looking for will be able to tell.

[The Brice]

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It is true, but there are a number of ways to write off a car. It doesn't have to be completely mangled with bodies parts still inside. In fact simply stealing an entire R32 interior will write off the car, not touching a single panel. Many of the write offs are corner hits, both airbags deployed.

The chassis are straight, there are a number of body parts that must be replaced along with interior stuff. It adds up quickly.

Given to a proper shop it can be fixed back to new that only people who REALLY know what they are looking for will be able to tell.

Understandable but "salvaged" will always be on the cars history and I personally would never pay large sums for such a vehicle with that on it's record. (I'm sure I'm not the only one either.)

[RONDAL]

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i'm sure you wouldn't, but any informed person who knows much about these kinds of things would have no problem. The general public falls into the uninformed.

But the fact that enthusiasts won't even buy them means something.

[The Brice]

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i'm sure you wouldn't, but any informed person who knows much about these kinds of things would have no problem. The general public falls into the uninformed.

But the fact that enthusiasts won't even buy them means something.

Well if your so well informed why don't you pick one of them up then. I originally looked into trying to get one years back but the only means I saw was Quebec and B.C.'s salvaged title cars (not that this means anything in Alberta), it's retarded to pay such a asking price for a salvaged car, who gives a s*** if it's from a stolen interior or not. So I got the s4 instead. Fact is I bet if Canada got roughly 2000 compared to the states 5000 I bet they would not have many problems selling them off here in the Canadian market, and don't think I'm not an "enthusiast", I currently own 2 other dubs and have had about 10 others prior to these cars.

[RONDAL]

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Well if your so well informed why don't you pick one of them up then. I originally looked into trying to get one years back but the only means I saw was Quebec and B.C.'s salvaged title cars (not that this means anything in Alberta), it's retarded to pay such a asking price for a salvaged car, who gives a s*** if it's from a stolen interior or not. So I got the s4 instead. Fact is I bet if Canada got roughly 2000 compared to the states 5000 I bet they would not have many problems selling them off here in the Canadian market, and don't think I'm not an "enthusiast", I currently own 2 other dubs and have had about 10 others prior to these cars.

why dont i buy one? because if i was going to spend that much on a car i would get an S4. oh wait....that takes me back to my previous statement...4 doors....practicle but sporty....not over priced.


I mean what should i talk? I'm building a 300whp GTi on stretched and staggered wheels, that only drives when the sun is shining. It's about as practical as using a handgun to turn your tv on and off

[niXon]

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I guess the proof is in the pudding with the R32. The Vancouver VW scene is considerably larger than that present in AB, a simple trip to GCVW proves this every year.
There are a number of good VW wrecker who are able to bring up and repair R32's with minor damage and stolen parts and resell them to be insured in BC. When the R32 came out in the States there was tons of nutswinging about how everyone and their dog wanted an R32. Now that they are available, at a decent price...you would think that there would be a large number of people buying these up. I know one of the wreckers quite well and he said business with the R32 has been slow, and aside from the initial buzz around the car being admissable in this way there actually haven't been that many sales.

Take that for what its worth...but the cars are available...and still not being bought.

If you really think about it your argument is pretty stupid.

You're saying that because people don't want to buy a written off R32 and have to go through the hassle of having it repaired, that in turn would mean new ones won't sell.

Me personally would never buy a written off or salvage R32. Dealing with all the repairs and what not is a huge pain in the ass and not worth the time or $$. That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a new one.

[niXon]

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i'm sure you wouldn't, but any informed person who knows much about these kinds of things would have no problem. The general public falls into the uninformed.

But the fact that enthusiasts won't even buy them means something.

You realize "enthusiasts" make a up a very small percentage of VW owners, right?

[RONDAL]

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[Bubbleboy]

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Enthusiast or not, not a lot of people have cash to buy a $30000 vehicle outright, whether it's a write off or not. Besides, who in the right mind would finance a salvage titled vehicle.

So to get back on topic, let's see what comes of the investigation and what will be deemed admissible or not.

[Canadian Turbo]

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I am really not sure if the R32 will change because of this as it has just never been crash tested in Canada. The big thing they are looking at is models sold in both countries but are not allowed to be imported for some strange reason like the 2008 GTIs.