Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

[forkdork]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

Bye bye diesels....

[Canadian Turbo]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

Well I am all for tough regulations on emissions but I think getting rid of diesels in that is maybe not the best answer. Most diesel cars are using less consumption which can be better than some gas cars and really they are not going to ban Semi trucks which probably could use some emission improvements so whats the point. And what about all those heavily polluting lawn mowers out there??

Does California allow diesel pick-up trucks like F250/350s as those are very big for industry here???

[James]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

Does California allow diesel pick-up trucks like F250/350s as those are very big for industry here???

Pretty sure its allowed for 'work vechicles' but not for commuters/personal wips.

I sort of want to stick it to the man and do my car up like barts, constantly have a black smog followingme

[stefan]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

once all the new refining processes are underway, and the cleaner fuels reach the pumps, i think new cars will meet the requirements. its the low income families (an people who just like driving old beaters) that will find themselves in a tight spot when the auto registry asks for emissions test results. Off-road, rail, and marine are also going to be largly effected since right now, they can burn whatever they want for fuel - with next to nothing for emission control. There is a stat I saw that hat something like 15% of cars creating 60% of the harmful auto emissions (maybe not quite the right numbers... but you get the point). If you go to Cali., you will likely not see the same beaters/oil burners you see here. Even Vancouver doesnt have that many garbage cars (compared to here). I think you will see a lot of old cars not passing tests before new cars start getting pulled off the market here. By the time they say something like "no more TDIs", there will be better engines.

As for big trucks, Cat (a huge polluter in the past) is coming out with some pretty amaizing engines as far as emissions go. They are clear for use everywhere i think. Of course, Average Joe's Sand and Gravel wont be able to afford such a machine.

Also, a lot of alberta oilfield trucks run without catalitcs, because they start fires. My company just lost a truck due to a grass fire started by the catalitic.

In the end, Alberta could drop emissions significantly without saying bye bye diesels, but I guess we can all just wait and see. I wouldnt put it past this government....

[kuhli]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

So, let me get this straight, lower emmissions is good if it suits your ideas, but its no good if it doesn't. Brilliant.

[stefan]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

So, let me get this straight, lower emmissions is good if it suits your ideas, but its no good if it doesn't. Brilliant.

wtf? that was random? we do have to clean things up, and lots of things will help. we can start tearing down any house that doesnt meet 2006 insulation requirements too, in order to help cut back on pollution cause from energy production.. at some point you have to acknowledge that 'that doesn't make sense'. Maybe if I had your money, i could recycle my mazda beater and get a better car for my fiance - but today, that aint gonna happen. And to tell me I can no longer drive it would cause all sorts of other problems. There are things we can do to phase this in, we just have to be careful, thats all. I think perhaps you are a little too focused an a very small part of a very big problem... I obviously don't have the solution, but I do what I can to help, given what I have to work with.

and if you were that concerned, you would have opted for a 2.0, not a VR6....

[forkdork]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

The funny thing is they allow large gasoline vehicles such as the Escalade etc to be sold yet little diesels are going to be outlawed? If Californias regulations are so excellent then why the **** are they suing automakers right now? lol What a joke

The E320 CDI doesn't even make their standards (And they won't allow urea injection iirc so no Blutec either).

Why can't we just follow Euro4 regulations or something like that.

[stefan]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

note that VW isnt one of the automakers on the list... so at least VW gassers must be ok.

[Mitcheh]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

So we're going to have to start e-testing? I'll never pass! :(

[James]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

So we're going to have to start e-testing? I'll never pass! :(

Ya, you and my dads 351 mustang w/ no cat both haha

[Mitcheh]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

And every mk3 that Cara's boyfriend has touched.

[Triple G]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

And every mk3 that Cara's boyfriend has touched.

I wonder how mine would do (only a muffler)

[Red90]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

The problem is that the regulations are NOT based on what the environment needs. They are based on what is possible with GASOLINE engines.

[RONDAL]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

uggghhhh

california's laws are only coming about because of extensive lobbying by certain interest groups. you think that the diesels having stricter emissions laws for 2007 is a coincidence? I can guarantee you there were certain groups supporting/selling gasoline engines/cars lobbying hard to have diesels put back a few steps. They were losing market share to them and as it works in the states if you have money you can have a very large soap box.

emissions testing is nothing but a cash cow. they do it in vancouver and it has proven nothing in terms of cutting down the amount of emissions. what SHOULD be done is better urban planning to stop urban sprawl or to create different work centers. Better cleaner alternatives like mass public transit, etc.

[stefan]

Re: Canada to follow Californias Emission Regulations by 2010

werd