Considering the Dark Side

[Smartiepants]

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Well it looks like its coming down to which I can get a better deal on, we shall see.

[Kor]

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Nick have you driven the RSX? Hit the Honda dealer.

[Klobi-One-Kinobi]

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Exactly! Get as much time with all potential cars as possible. It should help with your decision, Nick.

[NeonGTI]

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This was with a Revo 4 bar program, no SPS3, and a CAI in a 2003 GTI with 16 inch rims, no weight reduction, my fat ass, and a 2.3 60 foot. I may have had an N75J in at the time, but that won't make any difference.

I did have tire pressure down to 24 psi, but by the looks of my 60 times it didn't help much.

Brent and his wife were there to see it so he can back me up, cuz im sure he remembers last year.

Even still a 15.0? What else do you have.. its gotta be more then just a simple chip. What gas program? The golf that I ran against had the the 28rs, a FMIC, full exhaust, and any other bolt-ons available.. he couldnt break 15.0

[Smartiepants]

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Haha, they won't let me drive one, being young has its disadvantages

[Kor]

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Haha, they won't let me drive one, being young has its disadvantages

Just gotta find the right guy who wants to make a sale.

[Aleks]

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I also have one other note it hase been bothering me since I read it. the guy theat recomended he get a civic and put in a b22 from a CRX you are way off and I hope that was an atempt to mock the Honda guys. It really should be a H22 motor and it come from a prelude. there is also b series motors which are the B16 from either a 99 civic Si or a del sol, or a B18C1 out of an integra GS-R. there is not any NA spec CRX offered with a B series motor. In Japan there are many B16 CRX's and in europe there are just a small amount of B16 equiped CRX's. Sorry for the rant but that was bothering me.

Hey, I re-read the post I made, and mis-communicated.....CRX's never came with b22's in the first place.....anyhow, I meant to say the motor out of the CRV (can you see how fast typing may cause that??), it has been shown to be reliable with forced induction....whether this is the same motor as in the Prelude, I don't know, my other car is an accord.....

[NeonGTI]

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Speaking of purchasing cars...

Does anyone other than myself subscribe to Consumer Reports? I was reading the annual car issue the other night and pretty much every VW, save for the Passat V6 was on the 'Cars to Avoid' list.

The Acuras, being Hondas, naturally were on the worship list.

The Scion xBs were on the highly recommended list. Apparently the thing kicks ass in safety, mileage, space, it's just pokey they say.

Some of the gas mileage figures (mostly for domestic cars and trucks) were just AWFUL. Who the hell can afford to drive around trucks and SUVs that average ELEVEN miles per gallon? Damn.

[VRado6]

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Sorry, this may seem kind of off topic, but you guys keep mentioning what our cars can do in Calgary given the altitude. Higher altitudes mean basically nothing to a turbo'ed car, it will have basically the same power at sea-level as it will in Calgary. Because you are compressing the air going into the engine, the outside air density makes little difference. 10psi at 0 feet is the same as 10psi at 10000 feet. If someone is only running 15 flat with a stage3 setup then they either suck at driving or thier car is not set up properly at all. Stage3 on a 1.8T will run deep in the 13s, possibly high 12s if the guy can drive and the traction is available. Guys with 100% stock 20th AE GTi's have run low 15s and there are even a few that have cracked into the 14s. A well driven 1.8T with all the standard bolt-ons (intake, chip, DV, DP) should be able to (and have been) run low 14s, some have even got into the 13s with the K03 and a little wieght reduction.

[R_Ethug]

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lol wrong dude.. i don't think most of us suck at driving.. dom hit a 14.0 last time at race city and his car could do 13s back in ontario easily.. dom said he saw people do low 14s with a chipped 1.8t in ontario so i'd say sea level has something to do with it but then again i'm not a huge racer so i may just be talking out of my ass

[VRado6]

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Trust me, altitude does not affect a car with forced induction like it does a NA car. Heat and humidity will effect its performance, but not altitude. This is why piston engined planes are sometimes turbocharged, to allow them to produce the same amount of power at higher altutudes as they do at sea level. Think about it, if your car is boosting to 15psi at sea level, it will still be boosting to 15psi at 5000ft. The turbo will have to work harder to compress the thinner air to 15psi, but the volume of air is the same. Now, if the turbo is working at 100% of its efficiency at sea level to produce 15psi, then it will most likely be out of efficiency at 15psi at 10000ft, so in that case, performance may be effected, but again, not to the same extent as an NA engine. If you want more proof, look at guys with 1.8Ts getting dyno'ed in calgary. You'll notice thier numbers are within 10whp of people being dyno'ed anywhere else.

[R_Ethug]

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yea compressing the air is true.. i don't know a whole lot about this stuff so i'll just shutup lol

[VRado6]

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Hey its no problem man, I didnt know this stuff once either. I had to learn all about it as part of my commercial pilot training and it was a shock to me then as well

[Disturbo]

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Altitude does affect a car with forced induction,, Lets use my car. I make over 300whp in my car and when I ran the car here vs back home(ontario) I know the car is much slower here in Calgary.. thinner air makes less hp's.. And yes a chipped 1.8T will run 14's with work.. My car when it was just chipped it would trap 95mph in Ontario. and here I see Sti's that only trap 98 mph.. My car was 204hp and Sti are 300hp..I will dyno my car here soon and prove that its down on hp cause of the Altitude here in Calgary

[Boy Racer]

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Doms right. Our cars use relative boost mapping not absolute therefore we run a certain boost over ambient. Ambient goes down, so does your set point and if you are at the limit of your turbo, so does the maximum absolute it can produce. Now, because 1psi reduction is less of an effect when you are running higher boost rather than atmospheric pressure, the differences are not as great on a turbo car than a NA.