Internet censorship.. here we go again

[Yasek]

On one hand yes protect your product on another, its like the "Patriot Act" smells like its full of ****.

Control the information flow, control thoughts. Tell them what you want them to know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_739836.html


http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/

[luunta]

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Cool story.

[BaggedGLI]

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muff cabbage.

[aliencurv]

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hahahahahahahaha

you'd have to think the internet was controllable to even take the time to care about this topic. what they're suggesting is similar to controlling the conversations that occure over phone lines lol

good luck

[Yasek]

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Its already done, in cuba, china ect. its through the internet providers. limiting access to regions, sites ect.

[aliencurv]

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Its already done, in cuba, china ect. its through the internet providers. limiting access to regions, sites ect.

lol, you're cute

[Yasek]

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Common guys..... Doesn't the statement "if you have enough money and time anything is possible" apply.

The world is ending, don't ignore the crazy guy, because one day he will be right.

[BaggedGLI]

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No, it doesn't, you cant buy "The Internet".

No matter what you try and block, there are these things called Proxies.

[aliencurv]

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Common guys..... Doesn't the statement "if you have enough money and time anything is possible" apply.

The world is ending, don't ignore the crazy guy, because one day he will be right.

haha. unfortenatly, it'll never happen. i can go on for a while and rant about the politics of the "internet", man i hate that word. but the fact remains that the technology is based on something called routing. and it works like a funnel. routers move packets by to other routers by configured ip address ranges called netmasks. routers forward the packets to the next hop, which in turn references its netmask and determines the next hop, etc.

now the funny thing is, little script kiddies and ppl who beleive they are smart will use geographical ip lookup websites to think they know where an ip address is owned. problem with that is that is done by two methods.

#1 the internic (which is a huge broken database mess and only is somewhat reliable in the US and Canada) keeps tracks of the business address registered for the network address, not an ip address.

so if someone purchased an ip address and had it routed via an encapsulation method (ip in ip) then it can go anywhere. most russian and chinese networks actually exist physically in their country, but appear to be in the USA. this is because a small dial-up provider will be purchased by someone, and encapsulate the network block over a single ip address to a router in russia, and release it. the same applies to china, but even more.

so in china you can purchase either a chinese ip address, or a north american ip address for a little bit cost more.

also, network blocks are sold often in countries like russia and china. and i mean sold like nothing else. it's easy to sell and easy to buy. and this is because once your ip address (combined with your host name/domain) is black listed, u want to dump it. now when someone else buys it, the registered domain lookup information changes, and now the ip is on a watch list, not a blacklist. so you'll now be able to spam/botnet/wanna-be-hack for another few days until its blacklisted, and you sell it again.

so domains like DHEIAhAJDHE343.COM are registered every few minutes from around the world. then they are related to network blocks that were blacklisted, but now on watch list and recognized as bein clean.

problem is, you can't recognize an ip address for very much. you have to combine it with a few other parameters (i.e. domain names and reverse hostname lookups) to create a unique fingerprint of it's malicious activity.

one of the large security applications i wrote that is used for the nsa and dod (was also featured on the cover of time life magazine as "fighting cyber terrorisisisism) was Deepsight Alerts TMS for Symantec. The application was a front-end to an incredibly large database residing on a very large san. one of the largest databases in the world of it's kind. sadly, an entire mf'n biznitch to optomize. well, the data in the TMS database was anonymized data from network conversations between hosts collected on routers.

in order to use the interface, you would need to contibute your routers data. now, we're not depending on home machines here (even though norton internet security and firewall does submit it's data). but we had our IDS (intrusion detection system) on almost all major router hubs around the world.

the IDS would detect packets that matched patterns and remove the personal information from the payload. then submit the data to our database to contribute to our trending queries. we'd produce a different look at the world, of where ppl were, what htey were doing. and even the hack attempts always matched political issues in the news. we could even pinpoint business and institions that were being targetted and provide demographics.

you can view the home page without login credentials of tms @ http://tms.symantec.com .. logging in is for paying and contributing organizations however.

there was a free service, not sure if it's up anymore.

there was also a few other mechanisms to concerned with when discussing ip address geographical location. there was another application i had written that was unique and first of it's kind. it was a real life traffic replay that used the native network socks of the computers involved. all other traffic replay tools would force (in promisciuos mode) the packets out of the network interface as raw data. of course the IP headers, routers, ip addresses, sequence ID's, etc would all be out of wack.

so what my program would do is turn off all services bound to ports (was a biznitch to do in windows of course). then analyze the recorded conversation and determine the conversation connection points (server and clients). and an unlimited number of connections could be replayed. it would use the ip addresses that were configured in the machine because it would actually use the network socket calls.

this allowed two computers to replay a recorded conversation to determine "what the hell was happening". a machine that was hacked, you can now watch it happen in real time, or slow it down and pause, etc.

-or- in the case we are discussin, a network being transmitted over an ip address using encapsulated methods. recognize and open up the conversations that are transported within the single conversation. i.e. china, or russia.

so the thing is, no matter what the US does to think they are in control of a network that they designed to be uncontrollable... it's funny.

merely every written/spoken word by a politician is PURELY social threat and the only ppl it affects is those who beleive it.

but just like religion, beleiving doesn't make it real. the internet is built on a redundant routing technology of multiple paths and encapsulated data transports. there is no effective method to control it.

[J-hop]

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I would like to know what they are so concerned about trying to censor. To be honest it probably wouldn't even affect the average person. There is nothing I can think of that I look at on the internet that is worth censoring haha.

[aliencurv]

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I would like to know what they are so concerned about trying to censor. To be honest it probably wouldn't even affect the average person. There is nothing I can think of that I look at on the internet that is worth censoring haha.

so you're into child porn? body mutilation? recorded rapings? animal cruilty? etc....

sicko


it's probably best if you all program yourselves to dismiss any related news on this topic. know that it's ridiculous and impossible.

[J-hop]

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well it would "deter" the average person like myself that doesn't give a rats azz to try to get around it.

[aliencurv]

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well it would "deter" the average person like myself that doesn't give a rats azz to try to get around it.

well, let's speculate that they want to take down utorrent. that's a better example?

so all the movie production companies get together and say "let's pool our money and take down utorrent!!"

1) well, the utorrent application protocol was designed with the similar concept as ip. so you take down one machine, but another will still exist. you take it down, another will come up.

2) so you now say, let's filter utorrent traffic on all the routers in the whole world. <- good luck

3) then you say, well let's just get some of the big names like AOL to filter utorrent traffic. how do you recognize utorrent traffic? it's encrypted and is on random ports all the time. you just can't.

so eventually, the government asks these businesses SO many times to co-operate and it results in failure. eventually they just put the requests on the back burner. that's what has happened years ago.

internet censorship is of zero financial value to a network provider.

the only network providers that can gain financial wealth from censorship are the few crazy religious ones. they are hilarious though. they run a proxy server, and don't allow NAT so you are forced to 8080 your requests with a socks5. then they have a list of "trusted" sites you can visit. if you request www.fistingbuttsex.com, they know your account info by the ip address. they phone your house and have a "chat with your family".

that's an unrealistic approach for the whole world. with a network structure like that, you can't even use online business solutions like gotomeeting or itunes.

you either block everything, or nothing.

[longsock]

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i'm going to have to agree with DJ on this one. You either block everything or nothing.

[BaggedGLI]

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i'm going to have to agree with DJ on this one. You either block everything or nothing.

Never thought i'd see the day!