Iphone

[R_Ethug]

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i never said apple called it a bby killer.. just what media has said.. the only thing apple is a great killer at is killing vista lol

[Kor]

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http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/1...for-7-is-a-go/

Call it whatever you want. I call it $7.00.

Re: Bell Plan

- I still can't find it on Bell's page.

- Its supposedly only with the HTC Touch?

- Its $7.00 on top of a specific three year contract, not just $7.00. For example you MIGHT need to pay $80 per month for the three year HTC plan they are offering and then you get data for $7 = $87/month.

- Why is there a tiny number 2 next to where it says 'Unlimited for only $7'

[nordex]

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Re: Bell Plan

- I still can't find it on Bell's page.

- Its supposedly only with the HTC Touch?

- Its $7.00 on top of a specific three year contract, not just $7.00. For example you MIGHT need to pay $80 per month for the three year HTC plan they are offering and then you get data for $7 = $87/month.

- Why is there a tiny number 2 next to where it says 'Unlimited for only $7'

- Its supposedly only with the HTC Touch?- YES

- Its $7.00 on top of a specific three year contract, not just $7.00. For example you MIGHT need to pay $80 per month for the three year HTC plan they are offering and then you get data for $7 = $87/month. - NO

- Why is there a tiny number 2 next to where it says 'Unlimited for only $7 Legal Reasons

[nordex]

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yea, I know, I just didn't have a better example and I guess really just goes further to prove my point that they will charge whatever they want and apple will have nothing to do with it.

And I read the article you posted, and I agree, our plans are too expensive and there is no unlimited plans (really), and that's the major point of the article, that's why so few people have Blackberrys. More and more people are wanting cheaper data, not just potential iphone customers. The iphone will help with that, but even the article YOU (nordex) posted indicates that doing so will severely cripple it's bottom line.

IT also states that by not lowering data rates it will cripple iPhone Sales. Frankly they won't be able to charge what they like-it'll be something they and apple agree on. Apple has taken carrier negotiations to a whole other level with the AT&T Profit sharing.

[Duby T]

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I don't think apple had much to do with the rates. The low cost has more to do with the stiff competition and fight for market share in the US. I don't think just because they are "apple" means they have any sort of pull, they are afterall a new player in the phone making game.

I disagree. I think Apple has much more pull than we think. If Rogers is the only carrier that can carry the iphone due to the GSM compatibility, why has it taken so long to finally sell the iphone?

The way I see it, Apple has Rogers by the balls. Rogers knows that if they get the iphone it will sell in huuuuuuge numbers. Maybe my friend at Rogers was right about Apple not willing to make a deal unless Rogers made a decent data plan. Obviously one of the two companies was holding out on the deal, and my money is on Apple....not Rogers. Time will tell.

[nordex]

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Wait for it and here it is.

"As news hit that the popular but data-heavy iPhone device will soon be available in Canada, Rogers Communications Inc. executives hinted that the company's notoriously high wireless data rates may be lowered to drive sales of the smartphone.

"One of the things I think we need to be aware of is pricing works on data where we price it by the application," Nadir Mohamed, Rogers Communications president and chief operating officer, said during a press conference before the company's annual shareholders meeting yesterday.

"As you go forward with Web browsing becoming more of a [service] wireless carriers offer, you'll see pricing reflects that particular phenomenon happening and it'll be pricing that makes that application powerful."

Although Ted Rogers, chief executive, said the company was "thrilled" that it had negotiated a deal with Apple Inc. to bring the iPhone to Canada this year, he declined to provide any additional details regarding availability, pricing or any other specifics of the agreement with Apple.

"We're under contract not to say anything more," he said."
It was widely expected that Canada's largest cellphone carrier would land the iPhone as it is the only compatible network in the country, but it was also suspected that Rogers' high data rates stymied any talks between the company and Apple.

However, Tuesday's tone suggested a shift in the company's philosophy on data rates. Mr. Mohamed said that Rogers could be introducing more data-heavy cellphone plans in the next coming months to attract subscribers looking for a smart phone device such as a Research In Motion Ltd.'s BlackBerry or iPhone.

"On the data side, in the last six months to a year, you've seen more buckets of data become available in the U.S." Mr. Mohamed said. "As we move forward, you will see plans that reflect that application set."

National Bank Financial analyst Greg MacDonald said Rogers is now in the enviable position of offering its customers the two most popular smart phone devices on the market -- the consumer-friendly iPhone and the business-favourite BlackBerry.

"You've got the two killer applications in wireless today and advantages on both of them," said Mr. MacDonald.

SeaBoard Group managing director Iain Grant said the Canadian release may coincide with the expected release of a faster, so-called "3G" iPhone in June.

"Between now and then, Rogers has to rationalize its data communications plan," said Mr. Grant. "Change some pricing and offer some unlimited data plans? That seems like a quite radical surgery on Rogers' existing business model. And what does that mean to the RIM user or the people using the new Nokia smart phones?"

Still, a lot of questions remain unanswered such as the iPhone's release date in Canada, whether Rogers is the exclusive carrier and did the company have to sign an incentive-laden contract with Apple to be able to sell the device. AT&T, the first carrier to carry the iPhone, signed a deal with Apple that saw the iPhone-maker receive about $18 per month in usage costs for the duration of the subscriber's contract.

The exclusivity of the device on Rogers Wireless network may also factor into how new upstart cellphone companies bid in Industry Canada's upcoming wireless spectrum auction, added Mr. Grant. With Rogers now carrying the iPhone, the incentive to move to a GSM-freindly network and avoid BCE Inc. and Telus Corp.'s CDMA network is even greater.

Financial Post



http://www.financialpost.com/trading...html?id=479950

[nordex]

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"It was widely expected that Canada's largest cellphone carrier would land the iPhone as it is the only compatible network in the country, but it was also suspected that Rogers' high data rates stymied any talks between the company and Apple."

"However, Tuesday's tone suggested a shift in the company's philosophy on data rates. Mr. Mohamed said that Rogers could be introducing more data-heavy cellphone plans in the next coming months to attract subscribers looking for a smart phone device such as a Research In Motion Ltd.'s BlackBerry or iPhone.

"On the data side, in the last six months to a year, you've seen more buckets of data become available in the U.S." Mr. Mohamed said. "As we move forward, you will see plans that reflect that application set.""

Pretty much sums that up

[Tuna]

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"However, Tuesday's tone suggested a shift in the company's philosophy on data rates. Mr. Mohamed said that Rogers could be introducing more data-heavy cellphone plans in the next coming months to attract subscribers looking for a smart phone device such as a Research In Motion Ltd.'s BlackBerry or iPhone.

"On the data side, in the last six months to a year, you've seen more buckets of data become available in the U.S." Mr. Mohamed said. "As we move forward, you will see plans that reflect that application set.""

Pretty much sums that up

This is what I'm saying, they are realizing they need to make data cheaper and they've known this for a while. Doesn't mean apple forced them to do it, it just means data is not a "business service" anymore, regular joe consumers are wanting data also now but they don't have companies paying for it so it's no longer "money no object" for data. All it "sums up" to me is that they are (finally) changing their philosophy on data. Did selling iphones have something to do with that? maybe, probably, but was not Apple FORCING them to lower it.

[Billip]

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This is what I'm saying, they are realizing they need to make data cheaper and they've known this for a while. Doesn't mean apple forced them to do it, it just means data is not a "business service" anymore, regular joe consumers are wanting data also now but they don't have companies paying for it so it's no longer "money no object" for data. All it "sums up" to me is that they are (finally) changing their philosophy on data. Did selling iphones have something to do with that? maybe, probably, but was not Apple FORCING them to lower it.

I could almost guarantee that Rogers' price on data plans was at least a component of the negotiations. Apple recognizes that a significant part of the functionality of the iPhone is data, so they will try their best to get carriers to offer attractive pricing plans because it helps them sell phones.

[nordex]

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This is what I'm saying, they are realizing they need to make data cheaper and they've known this for a while. Doesn't mean apple forced them to do it, it just means data is not a "business service" anymore, regular joe consumers are wanting data also now but they don't have companies paying for it so it's no longer "money no object" for data. All it "sums up" to me is that they are (finally) changing their philosophy on data. Did selling iphones have something to do with that? maybe, probably, but was not Apple FORCING them to lower it.

Yuppers It's all one big coincidence. Rogers gets the iPhone and the next day the Execs come running out saying the data rates are going down.

[Tuna]

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Yuppers It's all one big coincidence. Rogers gets the iPhone and the next day the Execs come running out saying the data rates are going down.

Since neither of us know for sure, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[nordex]

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I wouldnt be to surprised if they did what bell did with the HTC. Put the iphone data cheaper then any other data in order to drive sales while maintaing the cost of blackberry data.

[James]

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its been mentioned before, but edge service/3g is alot different than what Bell is offering. Mobile browsing on an HTC is that shite mobile browsing, whereas on an iphone, you load the full page, which is significantly more data usage

you're dreaming if you think you'll get an all you can eat for $10/mo in canada. Id reckon we may see them cut rates in half (so more like 35/mo for 1gb) which is way better than what we can get today, but still expensive when you start adding your call package, featuers etc..Still gonna be $150/mo to run an iphone if you want to use data heavily

[nordex]

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its been mentioned before, but edge service/3g is alot different than what Bell is offering. Mobile browsing on an HTC is that shite mobile browsing, whereas on an iphone, you load the full page, which is significantly more data usage

you're dreaming if you think you'll get an all you can eat for $10/mo in canada. Id reckon we may see them cut rates in half (so more like 35/mo for 1gb) which is way better than what we can get today, but still expensive when you start adding your call package, featuers etc..Still gonna be $150/mo to run an iphone if you want to use data heavily

Expect to see similar rates as the states for data on the iphone. The iphone is useless without unlimited data.

[nordex]

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Bells not that slow.