Iphone

[nordex]

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demo'd one for 2 weeks through work. to be honest i would rather go with the blackberry if you are doing it for anything productive.
the iphone is for those that want to be seen with it. it's been a proven flop as the "blackberry killer" it was labelled as when it was first announced, and the fact it doesn't sync to most companies servers properly makes it a nightmare to deal with.

When was it labeled a blackberry killer? It was never advertised as this.

[R_Ethug]

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magazines, tech articles said this before they even came out..

[Tuna]

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Actually, being an Apple product I would be more then happy to bet it'll be affordable data. Frankly at bell you can get unlimited internet on an HTC for 7 bucks a month.

I would be more then happy to assume that apple is going to do what it did in the States, and force even cheaper rates. The phone was designed with all the features and if they cannot be accessed for a fair price then they know it would be worth not releasing here for the fact that in the end they look bad for selling a product that no one can use because it is to expensive.

As an aside, I am sure most of you know apple is finallly going to be in alberta. With a store in Edmonton and Calgary. The West Ed store is opening very soon.

I don't think apple had much to do with the rates. The low cost has more to do with the stiff competition and fight for market share in the US. I don't think just because they are "apple" means they have any sort of pull, they are afterall a new player in the phone making game.

[Kor]

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at bell you can get unlimited internet on an HTC for 7 bucks a month.

Can you please link to this? I call FALSE.

[nordex]

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Can you please link to this? I call FALSE.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/1...for-7-is-a-go/

Call it whatever you want. I call it $7.00.

[nordex]

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I don't think apple had much to do with the rates. The low cost has more to do with the stiff competition and fight for market share in the US. I don't think just because they are "apple" means they have any sort of pull, they are afterall a new player in the phone making game.

I guess well just have to wait. As I just showed it is more then feasible with bell offering unlimited $7.00 data on the HTC.

Actually apple does have all sorts of pull. If the carrier doesn't want to work with apple that would mean no iPhone for them. Apple has built a device that requires all sorts of extra services and if they are not reasonably accessible to the customer it would be in best interest not to target that market.

[nordex]

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magazines, tech articles said this before they even came out..

Right but Apple said this when? The iPhone and the Blackberry cater to two totally separate markets.

[Tuna]

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I guess well just have to wait. As I just showed it is more then feasible with bell offering unlimited $7.00 data on the HTC.

Actually apple does have all sorts of pull. If the carrier doesn't want to work with apple that would mean no iPhone for them. Apple has built a device that requires all sorts of extra services and if they are not reasonably accessible to the customer it would be in best interest not to target that market.

The 7 dollar plan is right, I was looking at the same one, but it's only on the select phones (only the Touch when I was looking), I believe it's also only for mobile browsing which is quite different from 3g which is what is being discussed here.

Apple wants to sell phones, it makes them money, all they care about is that people want to buy them. The cell company doesn't care (as much) as these people likely already have phones and are paying for their service already. It would be different if these customers were not cell phone carrying already. The cell company is going to charge whatever they think the market will pay, not what apple tells them to charge, which brings me back to competition.

Rogers has exclusive rights right now, they will probably charge a lot, Apple is not going to go to fido and sell it through them just because they thing Rogers is charging too much, in the end Rogers has a much larger customer base and service area, which means, they will sell the most iphones.

[Canadian Turbo]

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Well the iPhone is GSM and Rogers is GSM, Bell & Telus are not and Rogers owns Fido too, so really they have the market cornered for the iPhone at this point.

[nordex]

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Well the iPhone is GSM and Rogers is GSM, Bell & Telus are not and Rogers owns Fido too, so really they have the market cornered for the iPhone at this point.

If the market is cornered why are we the last to get the iphone. What has caused the delay in getting the phone here?

[Red90]

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Apple is not going to go to fido and sell it through them just because they thing Rogers is charging too much, in the end Rogers has a much larger customer base and service area, which means, they will sell the most iphones.

Cough, cough... Rogers and Fido are the same company......

[nordex]

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The 7 dollar plan is right, I was looking at the same one, but it's only on the select phones (only the Touch when I was looking), I believe it's also only for mobile browsing which is quite different from 3g which is what is being discussed here.

Apple wants to sell phones, it makes them money, all they care about is that people want to buy them. The cell company doesn't care (as much) as these people likely already have phones and are paying for their service already. It would be different if these customers were not cell phone carrying already. The cell company is going to charge whatever they think the market will pay, not what apple tells them to charge, which brings me back to competition.

Rogers has exclusive rights right now, they will probably charge a lot, Apple is not going to go to fido and sell it through them just because they thing Rogers is charging too much, in the end Rogers has a much larger customer base and service area, which means, they will sell the most iphones.

If you have followed the whole iPhone thing you would know that apple had a huge say in it all. Actually so much so that “Among other things, Apple wanted a percentage of the monthly cellphone fees, say over how and where iPhones could be sold and control of the relationship with iPhone customers,” said Jim Gerace, a Verizon Wireless vice president in a January 29, 2007 USA Today article."

Wouldn't charging obscene amounts of money for service put the iPhone out of reach for most? Thereby limiting apple's sales? Not to many people are going to be paying $200.00+ a month on a cellphone.

But you know what, don't take my word for it.

"The Shock Factor

Though the iPhone delivers a good user experience, the ultimate success of Apple's red-hot handset in Canada will be entirely dependent on the data plan Rogers intends to offer for the device, said Brownlee Thomas, a Montreal-based Forrester Research principal analyst.

"Canada has been very renown for not knowing what 'unlimited' really means," Thomas said. "It does suggest a radical shift in how Rogers will price mobile data plans, because right now they are very expensive."

"There'll be a shock factor unless they reduce the cost," Thomas observed. On the other hand, "It's really hard to imagine that Rogers would erode its revenues so radically by changing their model for mobile data," she said. "Apple expects to get a share of Rogers' mobile data revenue" if the iPhone maker's exclusive agreement with AT&T in the U.S. is any indication, Thomas added.

As Canada's only GSM (Global System for Mobile communications) network operator, Rogers will effectively have a national exclusive, given that the iPhone is a GSM-only device, Thomas noted. Canada's other major wireless operators, Bell Mobility and Telus, employ the rival CDMA (code division multiple access) standard on their networks.

If Rogers does move to lower data-subscription rates by introducing an unlimited plan, Thomas expects it would immediately be copied by the carrier's Canadian rivals.

"They would have no choice, she said. "This will push Bell and Telus to adjust their data plans, and perhaps even introduce a combined 'voice-and-data experience'" similar to what Sprint now offers in the U.S. for $99 per month."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080429/tc_nf/59524

[Canadian Turbo]

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If the market is cornered why are we the last to get the iphone. What has caused the delay in getting the phone here?

Well I am not sure if any other countries besides the US have the iPhone yet sold through a carrier, so we are not the only one and Rogers has been testing the phone since it was new as it uses a lot of the network (and had a lot of issues) and then there is making a deal between Rogers and Apple too, these things all take time.

[nordex]

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Apple has brought it into other markets already.

[Tuna]

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Cough, cough... Rogers and Fido are the same company......

yea, I know, I just didn't have a better example and I guess really just goes further to prove my point that they will charge whatever they want and apple will have nothing to do with it.

And I read the article you posted, and I agree, our plans are too expensive and there is no unlimited plans (really), and that's the major point of the article, that's why so few people have Blackberrys. More and more people are wanting cheaper data, not just potential iphone customers. The iphone will help with that, but even the article YOU (nordex) posted indicates that doing so will severely cripple it's bottom line.