GM vs VW Engines!

[mr_barbeque]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

[nordex]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

Since you used the TT225 as an example, I'll play along. Just because its the way I am, I'll play the exact opposite of your argument. I agree that at the time it was made, the TT225 could be outperformed by vehicles costing considerably less. So why did he car cost so much you ask? You were paying for the style. At the time it introduced, the TT's styling was simply stunning. There was absolutely nothing else on the road like it. The interior was another huge selling point for this car, especially the basball stitched leather seats and the huge amounts of real brushed aluminum on the dash. The car was arguably more stylish and attractive than cars costing 2-3 times as much. Audi isn't dumb, they knew this, so you payed a premium for the car considering its so-so performance. Audi isnt the only brand doing this, look at Alfa Romeo, stylish underperforming cars that cost a lot of money, and you know what, people still buy them becuase thats what some people want. Not everyone is after raw performance and numbers.

I know this is completely off the original topic, but I like to argue with Pablo

You also forgot the quattro tidbit

[Duby T]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

Since you used the TT225 as an example, I'll play along. Just because its the way I am, I'll play the exact opposite of your argument. I agree that at the time it was made, the TT225 could be outperformed by vehicles costing considerably less. So why did he car cost so much you ask? You were paying for the style. At the time it introduced, the TT's styling was simply stunning. There was absolutely nothing else on the road like it. The interior was another huge selling point for this car, especially the basball stitched leather seats and the huge amounts of real brushed aluminum on the dash. The car was arguably more stylish and attractive than cars costing 2-3 times as much. Audi isn't dumb, they knew this, so you payed a premium for the car considering its so-so performance. Audi isnt the only brand doing this, look at Alfa Romeo, stylish underperforming cars that cost a lot of money, and you know what, people still buy them becuase thats what some people want. Not everyone is after raw performance and numbers.

I know this is completely off the original topic, but I like to argue with Pablo

Damn you Mike
Your just a big E-Thug

[Khyron]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

Whats the torque number comparison between the mk5 gti and the cobalt SS? I dont know about you guys, but personally for a car thats fun to drive around the city I think torque is waaaaay more important than HP.

See the dyno I posted earlier. It's not even a curve, it's a plateau. Available from 2K till doomsday.

Definately not like the Vtec charts you're probably thinking of.

[The Brice]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

See the dyno I posted earlier. It's not even a curve, it's a plateau. Available from 2K till doomsday.

Definately not like the Vtec charts you're probably thinking of.

The engine most definately has an impressive power curve.

[Aleks]

Re: GM vs VW Engines!

You guys will love to hear this then...

2008 CHEVROLET COBALT SS FAST FACTS

* Engineered and developed by GM Performance Division
* 2.0L Ecotec turbocharged and intercooled engine with 260 horsepower (194 kW)
* GM Powertrain Sweden five-speed transmission with short-throw shifter
* Nürburgring-tuned FE5 Sport suspension delivers 0.9 g grip
* Brembo fixed-caliper front discs and vented rear disc brakes
* SS-specific appearance with unique fascias and rear spoiler – including available high wing
* 18-inch high-polished forged aluminum wheels and Y-rated performance tires
* SS-specific interior with new sport seats, A-pillar boost gauge and more
* On sale: second quarter of 2008

TURBOCHARGED CHEVROLET COBALT SS GIVES A BOOST OF FUN TO THE COMPACT SEGMENT

LAS VEGAS - Oct. 28, 2007 – Celebrating the performance community that comprises SEMA, Chevrolet used the annual convention of all things high-performance to announce the 2008 Cobalt SS coupe. True to its legendary moniker, the Cobalt SS delivers a balance of track-proven performance capability, driving refinement and premium features – along with an undeniably fun and youthful character.

Developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD) and powered by a 260-horsepower (194 kW) turbocharged and intercooled 2.0L Ecotec engine, the Cobalt SS delivers 55 horses (41 kW) more than the previous Cobalt SS Supercharged, and its driving experience was validated on racetracks throughout North America and Europe, including Germany’s legendary Nürburgring circuit.

“The Cobalt SS is the very essence of Chevrolet’s fun spirit and serious performance,” said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. “The horsepower will put a permanent smile on your face and you’ll find yourself wanting to turn around and zip through your favorite stretch of twisty roads again.”

The Cobalt SS coupe arrives in dealerships in the second quarter of 2008. A Cobalt SS sedan, with all of the same high-performance features of the coupe, follows a couple of months later.

Maximum performance – on the street or track

The Cobalt SS was developed by GM Performance Division (GMPD), with a team of engineers and designers dedicated to crafting high-performance vehicles. It features powertrain and chassis enhancements that are similar to the new HHR SS, but with larger Brembo brakes, a slightly “taller” final-drive ratio and other variances that emphasize the Cobalt SS’s pure performance ethic, as well as maximize its competitiveness on the track.

Engineered to offer more than merely a turbocharged rush of power, an all-new FE5 Sport suspension was developed and includes specific stabilizer bars, spring rates and damper tuning – all designed to complement the high-output turbocharged powertrain and mitigate afflictions such as torque steer. Driver-selectable modes help maximize performance whether on the street or track. The unique “no-lift shift” feature enables manual-transmission-equipped models to achieve the best acceleration time via an algorithm in the engine controller.

Ensuring the car stops as confidently as it accelerates and corners are four-wheel disc brakes with standard ABS. The front brakes are from Brembo and have a performance-oriented fixed-caliper design, which resist fade better than floating caliper designs; the rear discs are vented for better heat dissipation. Along with these high-performance attributes, the Cobalt SS comes standard with a host of safety features, including the StabiliTrak electronic stability control system and side-impact air bags.

With its balanced tuning, the Cobalt SS delivers a quick 0-60 time of approximately 5.7 seconds – thanks to the manual transmission’s “no-lift shift” feature – and a sports car-like maximum lateral grip of 0.9 g. This combination enabled the Cobalt SS to set a new class record while circulating the famed Nürburgring racing circuit, posting a time of 8:22.85 minutes.