Value Of My B5 S4

[morris400]

i have been looking to step out of my 01 S4 and into something a little different. kids are getting older now and have a hard time fitting in the car and i just dont have the time to keep up with the car and family life. ill be sticking with an audi so im not leaving you guys. i have a trade in the works and im just looking for an honest no BS answer. ive done some research and came to a number between $7000-$8000 but i want to make sure its right.

performance

2001 Audi S4 with 256k on it now. stage 3 minus with BW k04s and stock fueling. jfonz tuned, ssac full turbo back exhaust, k&n drop in filter, 42dd catch can with silicone pcv lines and f hoose delete,jhm fmic 034 motor and trans mounts , stern power ring rear diff mount,

Interior 7/10

podi boost gauge , alcantra shift boot, no tears in seats but show age, good cluster with no missing pixels.

exterior

bumper needs replaced, hood needs resprayed , trunk is a 96 a4 trunk but alsoneeds resprayed, fenders have some rust, 17in stock wheels with new conti dws tires, pass side mirror glass cracked, dvr mirror housing wont rotate mirror left or right, windsheld needs replaced

maintance,

timing belt was done at 181k
tranny flush at 202k
all new contrl arms at 202k
new front axles at 202k also have 2 more in garage
tranny flushed at 202k
oil changed every 5k with rotella t6
new valve cover gaskets at 256k
new passenger side cam chain tensioner gasket and half moon at 256k
new dvr side cam cap at 256k
diff fulid changed at 250k
front pass side wheel bearing at 250k
both rear wheel bearings at 240k


The bad

windsheld need replaced, small oil leak from dvr side cam seal (front of engine), hood trunk need resprayed and fender rust. speakers need replaced but i have a set to swap in, e brake cables need replace and ebrake done not currently work. some headlight tabs broken

extras

i have a 85mm maf and rs4 accorin hose ready for install when i decide to go stage 3, 2 extra axles , 2 extra tie rods, new audi floor mats never used.


pics (best i have right now as im in ontario working but will be home thurs)









is my price a little off or is my car worth between 7-8 k?

[stuvy]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

Id say thats probably on the low side. Most that come up for sale in alberta usually start around $10000 regardless of condition. Other then your bumper your car is nicely tweaked to improve it.

[morris400]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

ok, thats more then i thought. im going to be trading it for a urs4 plus cash so i just want to make sure every party involver comes out happy.

[asp gti]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

i would say 8-9 at the lowest

[morris400]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

so if i was gonna trade my B5S4 for a UrS4 what would be a fair trade? i was thinking the urs4 is worth between 3-4 max but i know its stock with a few issues that nees to be addressed. so lets say 3k. if the avrage value of a b5 s4 is 9-10 even in my condition, is it safe to say a fair trade is the 2 car plus 5500-6000 cash or am i out to lunch?

[R_Ethug]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

you realize the URs4 as much fun as it would be is probably going to be a huge money pit compared to your B5 right?

just hope you considered that..

[morris400]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

I have considered it all. But it time to move on to another toy. I like both cars but the urs4 is something ive had my eye on for awhile.

[Kor]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

I don't want to start any kind of war, I have no interest in whether I'm right or not, but... I would say don't ask a B5 S4 owner since that is a biased perspective one way or another, right?

It seems to me like Kijiji and Canada Trader often have Canadian B5 S4's in better condition with lower KM's for between 8 and 10 to 11k. When I see them, 10-11k examples are usually in relatively good shape in terms of body, no rust and usually still under 200K km.

I wouldn't give you any value for the Stage 3 - that's just my philosophy of car value, I think mods are a sunk cost and owners should part the car before listing the car in most cases. Some may disagree but the average buyer won't IMO.

All that being said I would value this car at 6.5-7.5k if I was potentially in the market for a B5 S4. Mostly I would be concerned about the body work. Hood, trunk, bumper, fender and windshield is a lot to work on even for someone who wants a project car.

For trade ins I don't think most people usually want to give you your maximum asking value since there is more risk than taking cash. If I was trading you a car you valued at 3k I would offer you the car and 3.5k cash. Actually I would probably offer you 3k cash and negotiate upwards.

[morris400]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

no worries about starting a war, like is says in my first post im lking for no bs answers. this is what you have provided. i agree about the bdy work issues but i will be picking up a new hood trunk and possabily new bumper there used but in good shape as well as mirrors . my oringal guess was on value as she sits was 7-8k. if i get the new hood trunk and bumper id value 9k? or again do you think even with new body pannels top value is 7k?

I don't want to start any kind of war, I have no interest in whether I'm right or not, but... I would say don't ask a B5 S4 owner since that is a biased perspective one way or another, right?

It seems to me like Kijiji and Canada Trader often have Canadian B5 S4's in better condition with lower KM's for between 8 and 10 to 11k. When I see them, 10-11k examples are usually in relatively good shape in terms of body, no rust and usually still under 200K km.

I wouldn't give you any value for the Stage 3 - that's just my philosophy of car value, I think mods are a sunk cost and owners should part the car before listing the car in most cases. Some may disagree but the average buyer won't IMO.

All that being said I would value this car at 6.5-7.5k if I was potentially in the market for a B5 S4. Mostly I would be concerned about the body work. Hood, trunk, bumper, fender and windshield is a lot to work on even for someone who wants a project car.

For trade ins I don't think most people usually want to give you your maximum asking value since there is more risk than taking cash. If I was trading you a car you valued at 3k I would offer you the car and 3.5k cash. Actually I would probably offer you 3k cash and negotiate upwards.

[stuvy]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

On the s4 upgrading your turbos does add to the value since the k03s are so unrealiable and the repair is a pretty serious repair. So in this case the upgrade does add an isn't a lost investment like it would be on say a 1.8t b5 a4.
But the body isn't great. I still think $10g isn't out of line.
For a urs4 I've never seen one below $2000 or over $5000 (in original condition) so depending on the car you've found I'd say the trade plus $4-5 is fair.

[Kor]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

I think if you are planning to fix any of the issues then of course the car will be worth more, even if you just bought the parts and supplied them with the car I think that would go a long way.

I don't know the price of the parts so not sure if it will be worth it to you in the long term - but I don't see a reason why you couldn't add another 2 grand to what the car is worth today with some clean up. For me, the rust, bumper and then maybe glass (glass is sometimes unexpectedly expensive for luxury brand cars) would be the biggest concerns (in that order). A respray on the trunk or hood is pretty straightforward and a lot of people have body shop connections or can get a cheap spray etc.

Just my 2c.

As stuvy said it sounds like a lot of buyers will be looking for replaced turbos so perhaps that does put it a bit ahead too but I can't imagine it adding more than say 1/2 the cost of a replacement K03 job.

[PRY4SNO]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

you realize the URs4 as much fun as it would be is probably going to be a huge money pit compared to your B5 right?

just hope you considered that..

Not necessarily true.

Some older c4 chassis have issues due to neglect, and the well known older-era (pre-'97) Audi wiring issues. Most are a solid DD when kept in stockish trim and will rarely surpass the $$$/mileage threshold you'll find on a typical B5, modified or not. Just sayin'.

They are a bulletproof, time proven platform up to and exceeding 250hp/litre. Can't say that for a B5, B6, B7... hell, even many other mfr's cars.

[RONDAL]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

I think if you are planning to fix any of the issues then of course the car will be worth more, even if you just bought the parts and supplied them with the car I think that would go a long way.

I don't know the price of the parts so not sure if it will be worth it to you in the long term - but I don't see a reason why you couldn't add another 2 grand to what the car is worth today with some clean up. For me, the rust, bumper and then maybe glass (glass is sometimes unexpectedly expensive for luxury brand cars) would be the biggest concerns (in that order). A respray on the trunk or hood is pretty straightforward and a lot of people have body shop connections or can get a cheap spray etc.

Just my 2c.

As stuvy said it sounds like a lot of buyers will be looking for replaced turbos so perhaps that does put it a bit ahead too but I can't imagine it adding more than say 1/2 the cost of a replacement K03 job.

depends if you do a turbo replacement or turbo upgrade.
no one modding cars is expecting to get 100 cents on the dollar for what thye put in (unless they are dumb) but if you're doing replacements AND upgrades, you'll see a bump in what people are willing to pay as well.

[Kor]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

Honestly I disagree, I wouldn't pay for an upgrade over OEM for a turbo on a used car purchase, and I think the majority of car buyers would be with me... but we can agree to disagree on that one, no harm

[R_Ethug]

Re: Value Of My B5 S4

^ depends on buyer knowledge

k03s are not unreliable IMO.. any turbo will eventually fail.. k03s fail in the 2.7t due to poor maintenance or bagging on the car/neglect.
k04s are in the same boat if you know.

that being said if i were buying another s4 today i would look at a stage3 or k04'd car over a stock one (unless it was driven by a grandma)


all depends on the education of the buyer i think