Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

I did read the entire thread, as far as I know Burger gave his mechanic (thomas IIRC) $1700 to do the build. From what I gather, Burger did this because he didn't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do the build himself. Now, with that being the case, this means that he gave money in trust to thomas to make sure that the build went correctly. Why wasn't thomas the one to deal with CAW and make sure that the proper parts were purchased? If Burger went out and purchased the parts himself without knowing exactly what was needed, that was a poor decision on his part.

Also, why didn't Burger go to concept one (the APR distributor) to get the proper parts? He went to a third party distributor with no affiliation to APR to get injectors that are specific to an APR tune. Also, I don't recall seeing mention of either Burger or thomas having called APR to confirm that they were getting the right injectors.

I know it's crappy that there was a mixup. However Thomas was the one that was in charge of the build. He should have known what injectors were needed.

You obviously struggle with reading and comprehension, read it again!! I called CAW letting Sam know Thomas would be by to pick up the parts I needed...Sam agreed to having my Borg Warner K04 and TT225 injectors there for Thomas to pick up.... I hung up the phone and figured everything was set.. I was at work when the parts came in so I trusted CAW and Thomas to do the transaction (as I mentioned before)... I was not privy to the fact that I had received bunk injectors until after I picked up my car from Concept 1, when the tech there said "yo, those aren't the right injectors" ......... at that point the chase for accountability started.

Is this starting to make sense in your head yet?

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

A bad 02 sensor will cause your car to run lean or a boost leak, did you ever think of that?? and a 380 vs 386cc its almost dead nuts.. I ran 440cc 550cc 630cc and 1000cc, every brand out there with Revo ,Apr, and now Eurodyne, it ran very well every time and it didnt matter on the tune.

My O2 sensor is fine

[aliencurv]

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lol we need less keyboard experts in this thread please. quite honestly, your attitude and opinions are out to lunch.

a) disturbo: 02 sensor/boost leak... are you honestly asking if we'd thought of that? hahaha come on dude

b) mistert: you keep blah blah blahing without think think thinking. burger was a customer of the company in discussion. he's paying money for their expertise. i repeat: if he understood what was needed, he wouldn't have hired them. what part of any of this do you struggle with? it's a very simple concept... just like you pay for toilet paper to wipe your a$$ with from a store rather then make your own.

although, after reading your comments, i wonder if you do make your own.. hmm

[The_Jerbel]

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Guys,

No need to start pointing fingers at each other. This is between one man and the company that he hired/bought product from. Luckily everything is being worked out, and hopefully Colin can find the injectors he needs for a good price (I'm working on that, Colin! ).

No company or business is perfect. They all have made a mistake or two at some point, which they will have to apologize to their customers for, and make amends. I'm sure CAW is a great shop, and I hope they make right the mistake that has occurred.

[Mister T]

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You obviously struggle with reading and comprehension, read it again!! I called CAW letting Sam know Thomas would be by to pick up the parts I needed...Sam agreed to having my Borg Warner K04 and TT225 injectors there for Thomas to pick up.... I hung up the phone and figured everything was set.. I was at work when the parts came in so I trusted CAW and Thomas to do the transaction (as I mentioned before)... I was not privy to the fact that I had received bunk injectors until after I picked up my car from Concept 1, when the tech there said "yo, those aren't the right injectors" ......... at that point the chase for accountability started.

Is this starting to make sense in your head yet?

OK, I'm just going to take the high road here and quote what you wrote.

I had a local backyard mechanic source out a K04 turbo from kinetics in Vancouver and gave him the cash for the turbo and TT 225 Injectors that are supposed to go along with the kit

Here you said that you gave Thomas the $1700 for the turbo and the injectors (and presumably the install). This means that you trusted Thomas to know what he was doing and what he was buying. This also means that he would have been the first was the one to lay hands on the injectors at CAW. If he knew what he was doing, he should have known the difference between the early and late style injectors.

I then contacted my mechanic and asked him why the hell he had put bosch 380CC injectors in my car when APR calls for TT225 386CC injectors, not to mention I gave him 500 bucks to buy the F**king things

According to this, your mechanic bought and installed the injectors

I gave him 1700 cash to get the **** needed, then install it and give me a price on install, he tried to cut corners and asked you guys what injectors to get

Here you say that thomas "cut corners" on the build and that Thomas asked CAW what injectors to get.

what happened between the time I spoke to Sam and then spoke to my mechanic was all dealings you had done with your buddy my mechanic...

Sounds like Thomas was the main one to deal with CAW.

why sell them to the mechanic that was asking you and telling you I was staying with APR?

Sounds like they sold them to Thomas, yes?

Here's a quote from Sam:
We did not sell you injectors or software; they were purchased from or through your mechanic at your request. You have been to our shop only once to purchase 4 plugs and only 1 coil pack

Now, you (and DJ if he wants) can run through these quotes and tell me (based on these quotes, how I'm supposed to interpret them as indicating that you had ordered the injectors.

Also, based on these quotes I'd say that Thomas has far more culpability in the matter than CAW does. Like I said earlier, it's not that hard to tell the difference between the early style injectors and the later style ones.

Finally, even if you were the one who was entirely in charge of ordering the parts it is still incumbent upon you to know what you are ordering. Especially if you are ordering from a third party supplier that has no affiliation with APR.

Now I'm not saying that Sam didn't give you bad info on this one, and if so, shame on him; and if he wrongly assured you that the injectors were right when they weren't, then he does share some culpability here.

However lack of knowledge on your part about the product that you are dealing with doesn't entirely excuse you either. If you didn't know enough about the product that you were ordering then you should have a) educated yourself about the injectors that you were ordering or b) wisely hired someone to do it for you (oh wait, I think you did, his name was Thomas).

Ultimately I think you were on the right track by hiring someone to do this work for you. However it sounds like the guy you hired simply wasn't up to the job.

[Mister T]

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lb) mistert: you keep blah blah blahing without think think thinking. burger was a customer of the company in discussion. he's paying money for their expertise. i repeat: if he understood what was needed, he wouldn't have hired them. what part of any of this do you struggle with? it's a very simple concept... just like you pay for toilet paper to wipe your a$$ with from a store rather then make your own.

although, after reading your comments, i wonder if you do make your own.. hmm

DJ, what did Burger hire CAW to do? The only thing that CAW did was take an order from him. What Burger did was hire a "backyard mechanic" (Burger's words not mine) to do the install. A mechanic that was in your own words when you talked to me at the carwash before the Thursday meet "a hack".

Like I said in the earlier post to Burger. It's crappy that Sam gave out bad info here. However given that Burger hired a Thomas to deal with the install, why isn't Thomas the one getting most of the blame instead of CAW?

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

OK, I'm just going to take the high road here and quote what you wrote.



Here you said that you gave Thomas the $1700 for the turbo and the injectors (and presumably the install). This means that you trusted Thomas to know what he was doing and what he was buying. This also means that he would have been the first was the one to lay hands on the injectors at CAW. If he knew what he was doing, he should have known the difference between the early and late style injectors.



According to this, your mechanic bought and installed the injectors



Here you say that thomas "cut corners" on the build and that Thomas asked CAW what injectors to get.



Sounds like Thomas was the main one to deal with CAW.



Sounds like they sold them to Thomas, yes?

Here's a quote from Sam:
We did not sell you injectors or software; they were purchased from or through your mechanic at your request. You have been to our shop only once to purchase 4 plugs and only 1 coil pack

Now, you (and DJ if he wants) can run through these quotes and tell me (based on these quotes, how I'm supposed to interpret them as indicating that you had ordered the injectors.

Also, based on these quotes I'd say that Thomas has far more culpability in the matter than CAW does. Like I said earlier, it's not that hard to tell the difference between the early style injectors and the later style ones.

Finally, even if you were the one who was entirely in charge of ordering the parts it is still incumbent upon you to know what you are ordering. Especially if you are ordering from a third party supplier that has no affiliation with APR.

Now I'm not saying that Sam didn't give you bad info on this one, and if so, shame on him. However lack of knowledge on your part about the product that you are dealing with doesn't entirely excuse you either. If you didn't know enough about the product that you were ordering then you should have a) educated yourself about the injectors that you were ordering or b) wisely hired someone to do it for you (oh wait, I think you did, his name was Thomas).

Did you miss the part about the recorded phone conversations of me specifically asking Sam to have the pieces I need ready for thomas to pick up? I work mon-fri, I had thomas pick up the parts I asked Sam to order, Thomas was also told what parts to make sure to pick up..

Who the hell are you anyway? Sams boyfriend?

[luunta]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

[Burger]

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I'm going to put a few things in point form.... So The dude with the Mr t fetish can understand.....

I called CAW because Thomas and Lawrence go way back...They are buddies that talk shop trade info etc.. When I called CAW they told me they could get me all the parts I needed for my car no matter what tune I used....Sam tried his hardest to get me to buy Eurodyne but I refused...

I told SAM myself over a recorded call that i need the turbo and the injectors, he sent me a fucking invoice for the 2 items via e-mail, and as soon as someone tells me how I can upload that to this forum you can see for yourself that I was given a quote and price from them through Kinetic...

I explained to Thomas that I had called them and that Sam said he could have the turbo the next day from kinetic and that the injectors were already in his possession....

When Thomas went to pick up the Items I ORDERED, something obviously went down..
Sam claims he only had 2 injectors on the shelf after telling me specifically he had all 4
Thomas said he went there and Sam didnt have the injectors so Thomas then spoke directly to Lawrence to see if this cheap **** would work....According to Thomas Lawrence said they would work fine and he told me to ask Lawrence myself..

So tell me how a guy ordering parts, getting an invoice for them and having someone pick up what you wanted and not get it has anything to do with being my fault?

if you order a great Canadian pizza from your server at Boston pizza, and the cook makes you a pepperoni because he thinks that should work for you, do you get mad at the server....or yourself????

Seriously though, lets hear your backwards ass answer to that?

[Mister T]

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You know what man, I could go on and on arguing but it's really not worth the effort. If you want to blame CAW for the entire thing then knock yourself out, it really doesn't make that much difference to me at the end of the day.

And with that, peace I'm out...

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

You know what man, I could go on and on arguing but it's really not worth the effort. If you want to blame CAW for the entire thing then knock yourself out, it really doesn't make that much difference to me at the end of the day.

And with that, peace I'm out...

So do you blame the cook, the server or yourself.... Cmon I'm dying to know??

[aliencurv]

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You know what man, I could go on and on arguing but it's really not worth the effort. If you want to blame CAW for the entire thing then knock yourself out, it really doesn't make that much difference to me at the end of the day.

And with that, peace I'm out...

peace you're white.

so what you did was quote some fragments of the thread that suited your opinion. so, why did you do that? are you a wanna-be journalist to twist stories around for jerk off fun in your bedroom? the whole point to a forum thread is to read the entire thing and respond to it as a whole, not peices.

it's people like you that make the internet a very annoying place. you don't see it, but the fact that you are fustrated with my response should be proof.

*Edit: additionally, if you actually knew anything about engines and tuning, you'd know to shut up a long time ago. for people like me, it's confusing to wonder why you are confident with your uneducated responses.

i've already had to meet with burger and diagnose the issue. found the problem and resolved it. now, i'm additionally having to "prove" to you that the problem existed? since when is it normal to help someone and then end up in a internet flame war with some uneducated keyboard racer? enough out of you. get upset and pace around your house and go post on other forums about how angry you are, but don't do it here.

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

This thread was originally intended for everyone to think twice before blindly trusting a mechanic or even a local tuning company to give you good advice all the time. I'm sure CAW has done a great job for some, but this particular incident left a very bad taste in my mouth, not to mention made me borderline uni-bomber angry...Whether Lawrence himself was directly involved in the shady reparations made to my order or not, I don't know 100%, But I can guarantee you that SAM was... I have spoken to him several times, and that RAT knows it.. I blame the mechanic as well, he wasn't saving me dollars because no dollars came back into "MY" pocket, just his....
because of this incident, and glaring lack of care for a potential long standing customer, I will never EVER use or promote that shop... EVER!!

I work in an industry that puts me in contact with hundreds of people doing business everyday, importers exporters, and many companies that deal in related industries. this should have been a concern for CAW, because everyone knows the best form of marketing and promotion is word of mouth.... So word of mouth on the flip side is retribution and karma in full effect.

If Lawrence reads these posts, do yourself a favor and **** can that liability you have working for you.

[QuA]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

Colin!! Glad to see you joined the forums ^_^ Its Michael!

Sorry to hear about your experience to a TT225 setup. Lots of knowledgeable peeps in these forums to ask anything.

Lets meet up soon, gotta show you the new ride ^_^

[Burger]

Re: Bad injectors on a k04 apr tune.....

Colin!! Glad to see you joined the forums ^_^ Its Michael!

Sorry to hear about your experience to a TT225 setup. Lots of knowledgeable peeps in these forums to ask anything.

Lets meet up soon, gotta show you the new ride ^_^

135i with a JB3 tune..... that car must haul ass..