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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
no the car was not one of them,
no the car was not one of them,
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Kevin
2000 s4, Custom vast stg2+, piggie pipes, ssac catback, evoms intake, 710n's, eibach sportline springs, RS4 Reps, VDO boost guage -
Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
From what I understand the car isnt running anymore?
All I have is second hand chatter though... maybe someone could clarify?Comment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
Long story short- Mark got his car back and blew the motor, so we're building it again. VAST is rebuilding the motor for free since it was warrantied, I'm helping Mark out by rebuilding the car again for free, and we're changing a few things about the setup this time.Jordan
Jerbel Autowerks
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
Yikes. Sounds like a faulty part in there somewhere? What are you changing?Comment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
doh! sorry to hear jordan and crew! hope to see it on the road again soonComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
damn Jordan, what gave out?Kyle
2000 Audi S4Comment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
bottom end go boom!Kevin
2000 s4, Custom vast stg2+, piggie pipes, ssac catback, evoms intake, 710n's, eibach sportline springs, RS4 Reps, VDO boost guageComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
It's kind of a long story as to the cause of the failure, but here are the main details:
- The cylinder heads were built like a tank
- The block was built with new OEM parts (budget bottom end)
- The Tial kit designer (whom I spoke with on the phone a number of times) was overconfident, and gave me faulty information on pre-loading the turbo waste gates, resulting in the waste gates not being able to open below 27psi, regardless of the WGDC.
- In order to get the car to run safely at that boost pressure we added fuel, added W/M injection, and tuned the timing so that there were timing correction factors of 0.5 at a maximum (which is VERY low). But all these precautions combined apparently wasn't enough to compensate for a 2:1 air compression ratio.
- Mark floored the car in 6th gear , over-loading the engine, and all that boost pressure combined with stock pistons (9.5:1 compression ratio) for too long just built up too much internal cylinder heat and pressure, and something in the block let go. I'm still ripping into it to determine what exactly exploded, but if I don't see anything externally on the motor, VAST will find the exact problem when they rebuild the engine.
- This time around we're going with a true GT kit and possibly low-compression upgraded forged pistons, as well as some smaller items.
- The car will be faster this time around
Last edited by The_Jerbel; 08-25-2009, 09:53 AM.Jordan
Jerbel Autowerks
Distributor of parts from:
JAW, 034 Motorsport, Power Up Lubricants and OEM replacement parts
(403) 690-7135
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
That sounds like a damn straight stand-up shop. I've read and experienced first hand built motors blowing up after a build and very rarely does the shop actually stand by their work and help the customer out.Originally posted by The_Jerbel View Post2014 S4 6MTComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
I have to say that both Jordan and Vast are of the upmost proffesionals that I have ever delt with in the automotive industry and they both do top notch work that they are more then willing to stand behind.Originally posted by IDTrav View Post
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
so what are you gonna drive in the winter mark?Kevin
2000 s4, Custom vast stg2+, piggie pipes, ssac catback, evoms intake, 710n's, eibach sportline springs, RS4 Reps, VDO boost guageComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
The 93 oldsmobile that I have been driving since I sold my other S. But if I had it my way a new porsche cayenne turbo lolOriginally posted by fazda View PostComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
lol ouch no wonder you wanted your car back haha, the porsche would be nice though!Kevin
2000 s4, Custom vast stg2+, piggie pipes, ssac catback, evoms intake, 710n's, eibach sportline springs, RS4 Reps, VDO boost guageComment
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
Originally posted by The_Jerbel View PostIt's kind of a long story as to the cause of the failure, but here are the main details:
- The cylinder heads were built like a tank
- The block was built with new OEM parts (budget bottom end)
- The Tial kit designer (whom I spoke with on the phone a number of times) was overconfident, and gave me faulty information on pre-loading the turbo waste gates, resulting in the waste gates not being able to open below 27psi, regardless of the WGDC.
- In order to get the car to run safely at that boost pressure we added fuel, added W/M injection, and tuned the timing so that there were timing correction factors of 0.5 at a maximum (which is VERY low). But all these precautions combined apparently wasn't enough to compensate for a 2:1 air compression ratio.
- Mark floored the car in 6th gear , over-loading the engine, and all that boost pressure combined with stock pistons (9.5:1 compression ratio) for too long just built up too much internal cylinder heat and pressure, and something in the block let go. I'm still ripping into it to determine what exactly exploded, but if I don't see anything externally on the motor, VAST will find the exact problem when they rebuild the engine.
- This time around we're going with a true GT kit and possibly low-compression upgraded forged pistons, as well as some smaller items.
- The car will be faster this time around
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Re: Project Tial650 S4 complete...
So you are planning on driving the built S4 in the winter? I have never been in one, but I would imagine that it would be scary no?Originally posted by grim420 View PostComment
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