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  • #16
    Re: 2010 S4

    Originally posted by The Brice View Post
    What are you talking about? Did you even read the article at all? The S4's fuel economy is 24.25mpg COMBINED or about a 25% savings in fuel economy over their last V8 and yes is better than the vettes V8 as well. Not bad at all considering the S4 probably has about 600-700lbs on the vette and not positive but it's probably not as good in the aerodynamics dep't either. If a car with a smaller engine using forced induction will not yield as good of fuel efficiency as a V8 than what the hell have the europeans been thinking using smaller FI powerplants with all of their cars because of their crazy gas prices. I like this new S4 I'm really interested in seeing how this car does performance wise, with all the new advancements it has such as balanced weight ratio, 40/60 front/rear torque split, more advanced quattro system, and all it's other new goods this car could prove to be quite the machine. Technology can be quite the weapon for the road/track as the GT-R has proven. (Not that this will be in the same category at all.) I do agree with Ryan though, I would have liked to see this car with twin turbos instead but whatever any means of FI is better than NA any day. Audi pricing is certainly steep in comparison to many of their counterparts, but if you want to have a truly high quality 4 season luxury sports car I guess you have to pay to play. I truly believe that their 333hp rating like the 335's hp rating will be grossly underated as well.
    Wow, that was a whole smattering of strawman arguments (somehow I'm against technology? The DSG in my gti disagrees. And for the record, a small displacement NA engine will typically use less fuel than a FI one. The Euro models typically add FI to boost performance in the higher end trims of model lines. More air forcefed = more fuel required = more power but not in a linear relationship, obviously).

    My argument is basically this: a 6.2L pushrod V8 making 100 more hp comes within 3mpg of this wunderkind engine that's 26% more efficient than the outgoing one. (insert slow clap) The new S4 could've been so much more, but isn't, that's why I am not sold on it.

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    • #17
      Re: 2010 S4

      Alternate definition of irony:
      "if you want to have a truly high quality 4 season luxury sports car I guess you have to pay to play"

      Yet one of the major selling points of this new powerplant is its fuel efficiency.

      The silver lining is that now that its back to FI, there's more potential out of this mill than the 4.2L v8 (which apparently was a bucket of fail)

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      • #18
        Re: 2010 S4

        the 4.2 v8 is fine.. there are actually supercharger and twin turbo kits coming out

        its just not as tuneable as a 2.7T

        the S5 engine uses a detuned FSI 4.2 RS4 engine.. you can tune it apparantly to get 420+ out of it but no sure what all is involved

        either way audi released a high revving V8 to show BMW,etc they don't need FI to compete.. the RS4 revs to 8500 man!

        now BMW cried and put out the 335 with a twin turbo V6 to compete back and audi comes back with a supercharger..

        truthfully they should have used a 3.2 or 3.6 v6 and twin turbo'd it but thats my 2 cents

        or develop FSI for the 2.7T and redesign it to be chain driven plus a few extras.. that would be double baller!

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        • #19
          Re: 2010 S4

          Originally posted by Ryan View Post
          the 4.2 v8 is fine.. there are actually supercharger and twin turbo kits coming out

          its just not as tuneable as a 2.7T

          the S5 engine uses a detuned FSI 4.2 RS4 engine.. you can tune it apparantly to get 420+ out of it but no sure what all is involved

          either way audi released a high revving V8 to show BMW,etc they don't need FI to compete.. the RS4 revs to 8500 man!

          now BMW cried and put out the 335 with a twin turbo V6 to compete back and audi comes back with a supercharger..

          truthfully they should have used a 3.2 or 3.6 v6 and twin turbo'd it but thats my 2 cents

          or develop FSI for the 2.7T and redesign it to be chain driven plus a few extras.. that would be double baller!
          MMmmmmmmm....a high revving 3.6 twin turbo......8250 redline on the rs4 is sweet, that dark green one that I used to follow on my commute south always sounded sick....

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          • #20
            Re: 2010 S4

            Originally posted by BadKenny View Post
            Wow, that was a whole smattering of strawman arguments (somehow I'm against technology? The DSG in my gti disagrees. And for the record, a small displacement NA engine will typically use less fuel than a FI one. The Euro models typically add FI to boost performance in the higher end trims of model lines. More air forcefed = more fuel required = more power but not in a linear relationship, obviously).

            My argument is basically this: a 6.2L pushrod V8 making 100 more hp comes within 3mpg of this wunderkind engine that's 26% more efficient than the outgoing one. (insert slow clap) The new S4 could've been so much more, but isn't, that's why I am not sold on it.
            Strawman arguments??? What arguments??? First off who said your against technology there princess. My conversation aimed towards you ended with me pointing out your falsified information about who puts out what mpg. Who gives a crap anyways? Your comparing a 2 seater track bred full on sports car to a sedan that is about 700lbs heavier. Hey I know I'll help with your genius comparison by bringing up the Boss Hogg motorcycle, I mean damn this thing has a big ol' V8 and gets 30mpg, man Chev sure **** the bed in comparison to this beast. Maybe I should just dumb it down a little for you there, let's look at the other V8's out there (NA of course) in chassis's that are much better suited for a fuel economy comparison to the new S4. New Challenger R/T = 18mpg combined, Mustang GT = 18mpg combined, IS-F = 19mpg combined, new M3 = 15mpg combined, or how's about the last gen CTS-V which uses the LS2 vette engine = 17mpg combined, wow now explain that one professor. Oh and make sure you brush your knees off when you get up cause trust me there's no more chrome left on that Vette's tailpipes.
            2002 996TT
            2011 S5
            2004 S4 Avant

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            • #21
              Re: 2010 S4

              LOL thats last one is pretty funny i'm sorry

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              • #22
                Re: 2010 S4

                I think its really funny all this engine talk and fuel savings. I think Audi should start thinking about making there cars lighter for one. It seams to me that these cars are just getting bigger and heavier every Gen change.

                If they can fly space ships to the moon, making a car lighter is a walk in the park.

                Maby im drunk, ,,just my 2 cents.
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                • #23
                  Re: 2010 S4

                  dude every manufacturers cars get bigger and heavier with every generation!!!
                  mk3--mk4--mk5 VW!!!
                  b5--b6--b7--b8 audi a4/s4

                  the only ones maybe not is american cars that went from 1970s boats to what they are today but i'm sure todays cars are just as heavy

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2010 S4

                    V6 with a Twin Screw supercharger is going to be simply amazing.
                    When people think of superchargers they think of your typical centrifugal superchargers, which do not make max boost until redline - you rarely get the full benefits of the supercharger until your engine is screaming.

                    Twin screw superchargers like the one on this new S4, makes near instant full boost, so you get to use that 333 HP immediately. Can't wait to see the torque curve for this new S4, I'm sure it will resemble a tabletop.

                    Basically a centrifugal supercharged car with X horsepower would feel boring and slow compared to a twin screw supercharged car with the same horsepower rating. I'm all about the torque!


                    The new S4 gonna be a great car, its gonna drive way better than the V8, wait for the reviews its gonna kill! Aftermarket companies will release smaller pulleys/tunes/chips and it will be even more fun.


                    Off-topic: VF Engineering is making a twin screw supercharger for the B6/B7 V8 4.2

                    BTW, who really puts that much emphasis on gas mileage when you are talking about high end performance cars? Last year at a car show in the Maserati booth, some chump asked "whats the fuel consumption?" of a certain GranTurismo, as if it was a deal breaker if he was gonna buy it or not. I thought to myself: "Man, you just don't get it at all do you?"...

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2010 S4

                      Originally posted by The Brice View Post

                      (paraphrased) BAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW
                      Sometimes I forget that trying to have a reasonable discussion on the tubes of the interwebs is pointless.

                      Remember, ad hominem attacks (i.e. "dumb it down for you" or to imply that I am busy fellating a corvette's tailpipes) means despite any evidence you present that may or may not have refuted my stance, you've already lost the argument.

                      Congratulations, you're an Internet Tough Guy.
                      Last edited by BadKenny; 09-25-2008, 09:50 AM. Reason: Removed personal attack on Brice. Unwarranted in a friendly, if heated, debate.

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2010 S4

                        Originally posted by BadKenny View Post
                        Sometimes I forget that trying to have a reasonable discussion on the tubes of the interwebs is pointless.

                        Remember, personal attacks (i.e. "dumb it down for you" or to imply that I am busy fellating a corvette's tailpipes) mean you've already resorted to ad hominem attacks to prop up your argument, meaning despite any evidence you present that may have refuted my stance, you've already lost.

                        Congratulations, you're an Internet Tough Guy.
                        LOL, you're right. I became a little bit dumber after I read The Brice's last post. Funny $h!t tho...

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2010 S4

                          Originally posted by DubSport View Post
                          LOL, you're right. I became a little bit dumber after I read The Brice's last post. Funny $h!t tho...
                          Yup, it IS funny. And that's why its fun to argue on the tubes.

                          The Brice is correct though (about the cars, NOT the fellatio!) I think he meant the Charger R/T (not challenger) because that is a good analog for the S4. 4100 lbs, 4 doors and 335 hp. Even with selective cylinder management and tall gearing, it turns out EPA combined 18mpg.

                          But I better get back to work.
                          Last edited by BadKenny; 09-25-2008, 09:56 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2010 S4

                            enough bitchin around... see everyone at the next meet

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2010 S4

                              Originally posted by BadKenny View Post
                              Sometimes I forget that trying to have a reasonable discussion on the tubes of the interwebs is pointless.

                              Remember, ad hominem attacks (i.e. "dumb it down for you" or to imply that I am busy fellating a corvette's tailpipes) means despite any evidence you present that may or may not have refuted my stance, you've already lost the argument.

                              Congratulations, you're an Internet Tough Guy.
                              I'm sorry BadKenny, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, I'll get you a sucker. Just kidding, maybe the dumb it down part was a little much, I apologize for that but as for the last comment come on, where is your sense of humour?


                              Originally posted by DubSport View Post
                              LOL, you're right. I became a little bit dumber after I read The Brice's last post. Funny $h!t tho...
                              "Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber you do something like this...and totally redeem yourself!" LOL
                              Last edited by The Brice; 09-25-2008, 11:52 AM.
                              2002 996TT
                              2011 S5
                              2004 S4 Avant

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2010 S4

                                This thread needs more pics!









                                Blair
                                Former Cars: '12 Fiat 500, '10 VW GTI, '05 Smart Fortwo, '96 VW Jetta GLX, '02 VW GTI 337.........

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