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    With so much new product being pumped out of Ingolstadt sometimes it is easy to take your eyes off the bread and butter of the Audi brand. Such is life right now for the four rings. With universal acclaim for the R8 supercar, Audi's return to the coupes of old with the A5 and S5, a relatively painless transition to the second generation TT, the ease with which the Q7 has entered the luxury SUV market and high end monsters such as the S6 and S8 receiving their fair share of praise, the brand-reviving A4 waits in the shadows for its chance to shine.

    Road tests from abroad indicate that the B8 A4 - larger, more refined and chock full of goodies from the rest of the Audi lineup - will hold its own quite well, thank you. North Americans will need to mark their calendars for next fall's availability, however. That said, the S4 variant of the A4 remains a mystery to all since it was not revealed together with the A4 in Frankfurt in September.

    Audi wants and needs a strong performance (sales performance that is) from the all important next generation A4. Meanwhile, enthusiasts have been turning to the S4 for many years for performance of a different type: on the road where it counts.

    Long before many current Audi owners were even cognizant of the brand the so called UrS4 offered not only very capable performance, but a highly tunable platform with which to work. The venerable 20V turbo five powerplant was tweaked for 227-hp from the factory and pushed the car from 0-60mph in relatively quick 6.2 seconds. From Stage 1 chip upgrades to fully built RS2 conversions, the UrS4 offered the owner latitude on tuning bounded only by time and money.

    History repeated itself some years later as the B5 S4, with its bi-turbo, six cylinder engine, again put a lot of meat on the bone for Audi owners looking to modify their rides. While tuning the UrS4 was always more in the realm of the old school monkey wrenchers, the B5 S4 had a much more proletarian owner base which enthusiastically and unreservedly ordered chip and exhaust upgrades to build upon the stock 250-hp offering. However whereas the stock K24 turbo in the UrS4 was largely bulletproof, the K03 turbos in the B5 S4 were at times prone to trouble. Enthusiasts took turbo issues in stride by using failures as the requisite excuse to pursue RS4-type tuning.

    The B6 S4 was recipient of Audi's wonderful 4.2-liter V8 powerplant, and the B7 also saw FSI direct injection added to the mix to improve both performance and fuel economy. Gone were the sounds of spooling turbos and ubiquitous chip upgrades, replaced instead by the type of low end grunt and torque that only large displacement powerplants could offer. You really had to hand it to Audi too for squeezing so much out of such a compact and lightweight engine.

    Unfortunately, enthusiasts have had very few options in regards to tuning their V8 S4s. Many have waited for the mainstream US tuners to sell a supercharger solution, but Europe's MTM still offers the only viable (and very expensive) system on the market. That means we must now focus on the B8 S4. So what do we know for certain?

    Back in 2006 we speculated that high performance turbos would make their return at Audi. Indeed the new RS 6 Avant raised the bar considerably with its 580-hp twin-turbo V10 under the hood.



    We have confirmed with inside sources that the B8 S4 will debut with a brand new 3.0-liter TFSI bi-turbo producing 330-hp. With this powerplant Audi can nearly match the B7's 340-hp output while providing even better performance figures. Manufacturer published (conservative) 0-60mph drops from 5.4 seconds to very low 5's, while the accompanying combined fuel economy rises from 17 mpg to over 20 mpg.

    More importantly, at least from the enthusiast point of view, a return to bi-turbos means that modifying the B8 S4 to enhance its stock performance capabilities will be a more historically straightforward (and less expensive) endeavor. And lest we forget the all important marketing perspective, the 3.0-liter bi-turbo will also best a similar offering in BMW's 335i which weighs in at only 300-hp.

    Delivering power to the ground reveals the other technological breakthrough which will debut on the new S4. It is given that it will employ Audi's revered quattro all-wheel drive, however it will not be just the active sport differential system which is centered around distribution of torque on the rear axle.

    The B8 S4 will instead mark the debut of Audi's vectoring quattro system which will allow the dynamic allocation of torque to all four wheels. Audi's already improved driving dynamics thanks to its recent rearward bias will improve even further as the S4 gets the most neutral driving characteristics ever found in a performance sedan.

    Timing remains a wildcard for the B8 S4. It is slated to go on sale in the States alongside the B8 A4 in fall 2008, meaning it will have to debut early next year. We put our money on a Big Apple debut at the New York Auto Show in April. In the mean time we have put together two brand new renders of the B8 S4 to help enthusiasts pass the time waiting.

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    Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

    I actually read that whole thing. LOL

    Ryan, I won't be able to make it wednesday night at 8, but I could meet up a little before hand if you want.
    Jordan
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    • #3
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      Thing is, I bet the S4 costs more than the 335i and honestly a 330hp 3.0L is not THAT great anymore for a new engine. That would have been an exciting announcement around 3 years ago, but the bar has been lifted.
      KR
      Porsche 991 Carrera S

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      • #4
        Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

        Originally posted by Ryan View Post
        ...from the enthusiast point of view, a return to bi-turbos means that modifying the B8 S4 to enhance its stock performance capabilities will be a more historically straightforward (and less expensive) endeavor...
        HAHAHA, yeah right...I'm sure it'll be really inexpensive to modify.
        Kyle
        2000 Audi S4

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        • #5
          Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

          Well, less expensive than ringing power out of the 4.2, at least.
          Jordan
          Jerbel Autowerks

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            Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

            yea there isn't even a SC'er out for the 4.2 yet well without blowing the motor to pieces.. but i heard APR and VAST are almost done thier kits

            i almost bought a b6 s4 instead of my b5 i loved the exhaust and the v8 but the thing drinks gas like a mofo and you can't mod it much.. although my b5 will drink gas like crazy too the insane amount of torque and the fact 0-2PSI daily driving seems fast ahhaha 15 is rocket mode and 20-25 in a stage3 is warp speed

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            • #7
              Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

              They better drop the price from that of the current S4... ~50k to start for a 335 is wayyy more appealing than ~74k to start for sn S4. Ill choose the Bimmer every time.

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              2007 VW GTI 2.0T

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                Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                While I'm sure that new tuner parts for the B8 S4 will still be very expensive I bet that they will reside the turbos in a much more accessible location making it far less costly to upgrade them, and Kris is right how 330hp is nothing spectacular this day and age it'll be fine for the typ. exec. guy to drive around and for the rest of us who know that's just not good enough i'm sure the 500+hp easily attainable in the b5 s4 will be raised much higher, 600 to 700+hp on a stock internal b8 s4 with improved quattro system, and neutral handling sure sounds good to me.
                2002 996TT
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                • #9
                  Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                  Agreed. 330hp is more than enough for the majority of mid-50's oil boys driving downtown. And for those who buy to mod, there will be great potential.
                  Jordan
                  Jerbel Autowerks

                  Distributor of parts from:
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                  • #10
                    Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                    that new BAIT looks pretty hot
                    Last edited by bart; 11-19-2007, 04:43 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                      Originally posted by Kor View Post
                      Thing is, I bet the S4 costs more than the 335i and honestly a 330hp 3.0L is not THAT great anymore for a new engine. That would have been an exciting announcement around 3 years ago, but the bar has been lifted.
                      Not to mention how heavy the New audi's are "F" there wont be that much pull.

                      Car looks sick thow.
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                      • #12
                        Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                        that is my next car for sure, bump for the return of bi-turbo!
                        Garage --- full at the moment.

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                        • #13
                          Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                          Originally posted by Freddy View Post
                          Not to mention how heavy the New audi's are "F" there wont be that much pull.

                          Car looks sick thow.
                          Well Audi has been moving to aluminum chasis components so it might not be that heavy.
                          KR
                          Porsche 991 Carrera S

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                          • #14
                            Re: B8 S4.. return of the biturbo!.. finally!

                            Definitely not digging the rear or side profile.
                            Looks like a plagiarized BMW.

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